Is freedom a possibility?

Is freedom a possibility?

All thought is 95% (accuracy +/- 3%) unconscious thought.

The mind is embodied.

The ego says, Halt, Hold it.

The container is one of the primary schemas in which we think.

If you put it all together its spells:
• Human ideas are conditioned by deep psychological and social forces.
• We can operate freely but our horizons are limited.
• To facilitate free action we must recognize these horizons and these forces.
• Our horizons are determined by the historical reality into which we are born.
• Knowledge of our horizons and forces marks a beginning of free action and an ideal marks the telos of our action.
• Democracy is a suitable ideal as our telos.

Is freedom a possibility?

Is freedom a possibility?

All thought is 95% (accuracy +/- 3%) unconscious thought.

The mind is embodied.

The ego says, Halt, Hold it.

The container is one of the primary schemas in which we think.

If you put it all together its spells:
• Human ideas are conditioned by deep psychological and social forces.
• We can operate freely but our horizons are limited.
• To facilitate free action we must recognize these horizons and these forces.
• Our horizons are determined by the historical reality into which we are born.
• Knowledge of our horizons and forces marks a beginning of free action and an ideal marks the telos of our action.
• Democracy is a suitable ideal as our telos.

VSP

Would you elaborate on your last paragraph about being a college professor and freedom.

Given sufficient time all actions are negated thus there can be no true freedom because there is no true permanence

I don't think that's always true, but even if it were, if each yes becomes a no, then each no becomes a yes, therefore constantly restoring possibility and freedom.

eclectic wrote:

I don't think that's always true, but even if it were, if each yes becomes a no, then each no becomes a yes, therefore constantly restoring possibility and freedom.

Given the heat death of the universe there's not going to be "constantly restoring possibility and freedom". Read up on entropy and you'll see that given sufficient time all actions are negated thus there can be no true freedom because there is no true permanence This argument supersedes both determinism & cause / effect.

Chumly wrote:

eclectic wrote:

I don't think that's always true, but even if it were, if each yes becomes a no, then each no becomes a yes, therefore constantly restoring possibility and freedom.

Given the heat death of the universe there's not going to be "constantly restoring possibility and freedom". Read up on entropy and you'll see that given sufficient time all actions are negated thus there can be no true freedom because there is no true permanence This argument supersedes both determinism & cause / effect.

I thought we were talking about personal freedom, and the negating of personal actions. While entrophy might have an effect on personal freedom, for most people the connection is tenuous at best.

As to your claim as per "While entrophy might have an effect on personal freedom, for most people the connection is tenuous at best."

1) this is a Straw Man logical fallacy given I made no such claims with which your counter would be fitting
2) this is a an Argumentum Ad Populum logical fallacy given that what most people might think does not by default make it a logical argument

The philosopher Isaiah Berlin drew an important distinction between
"freedom from" (negative freedom) and "freedom to" (positive freedom).
For example, freedom from oppression and freedom to develop one's potential. By now, you must have understood your own limitations
of your "freedom from" in your own life.

My reply for the freedom of professor is implied in my answer itself.
Though there is more freedom for a professor to do research on
a topic of his choice compared to a scientist in a research organization,
availability of funds and equipment are problems. I wrote about the
limits imposed by Karma.

Mr. eclectic! If you think that there is constant restoration of
possibility and freedom, why don't you try for what I have written. Man
sitting on the bank can suggest any number of things. When he gets into
the deepest depths of the river, then he knows how much of what he has
suggested can be implemented practically with his own body. When
you go through some more suffering and past the peak energies of
youth-hood, your own suffering will teach you about your limitations.

Regarding logical arguments, I would like to remind you about
the limitations of logic:

In the 1930s, Austrian mathematician Godel proved a theorem which
became the "Godel theorem" in cognition theory. It states that
any formalized 'logical' system in principle cannot be complete
in itself. It means that a statement can always be found that can
be neither disproved nor proved using the means of that
particular system. To discuss about such a statement, one must go
beyond that very logic system; otherwise nothing but a vicious
circle will result. Psychologist say that any experience is
contingent - it's opposite is logically possible and hence should
not be treated as contradictory.

http://www.miskatonic.org/godel.html

The Hinduism says that obstacles have inherent ability to make people
great - they will awaken the inherent abilities a person has.

When I have put this question in another forum, very few persons
gave positive replies:

http://sawaal.ibibo.com/ViewAnswers/17/662b0c07-2668-4ca3-8a34-c246c3ae4688.aspx

I am happy that you have proved it in your life. You have a very strong
self confidence along with awareness of your limitations. The Upanishads
say that such a balanced personalities are rare, and that they will have
philosophical bent of mind for higher knowledge in their later life.

I wish you all the successes in your life.