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British general: Iraq rebels right to fight our troops

 
 
Reply Thu 3 May, 2007 01:13 pm
Ferom today's Evening Standard, West End Final, page 4 (online version)

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London, Thursday 03.05.07
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Iraqi insurgents are right to try to force foreign troops out of the country, a former British Army commander has said.

General Sir Michael Rose, who led British forces in Bosnia in the 1990s, said he understood the motivation of groups resisting the US presence.

In remarks certain to anger Tony Blair and his defence ministers, he said Britain and America should "admit defeat" and withdraw from Iraq to protect the lives of their soldiers-More than 140 British and more than 3,300 American soldiers have been killed since the invasion.

His words came as Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett flew to Egypt to join two days of talks on the future of Iraq.

Sir Michael, who has written a book comparing the insurgents' tactics with those of George Washington's forces in the American War of Independence, was asked last night on the BBC's Newsnight whether Iraqi militias were "right" to try to drive US forces out of Iraq.

He replied: "Yes, I do. As Lord Chatham said, when he was speaking on the British presence in North America, he said 'if I was an American, as I am an Englishman, as long as one Englishman remained on American native soil, I would never, never, never lay down my arms'.

"The Iraqi insurgents feel exactly the same way. I don't excuse them for some of the terrible things they do, but I do understand why they are resisting the Americans."

The former top soldier, who has previously called for the Prime Minister to be impeached over Iraq, said: "It is the soldiers who have been telling me from the front line that the war they have been fighting is a hopeless war, that they cannot possibly win it and the sooner we start talking politics and not military solutions, the sooner they will come home and their lives will be preserved."

Asked if that meant admitting defeat, he said: "Of course we have to admit defeat. The British admitted defeat in North America and the catastrophes that were predicted at the time never happened. The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened. The same thing will occur after we leave Iraq."

Meanwhile, Mrs Beckett joined ministers from more than 60 countries, including Iraq's neighbouring states of Iran and Syria, at a summit that will attempt to contain the conflict as well as other financial, political and technical support.

She said: " We have always recognised that Iraq's neighbours, and other regional states, have a central role in promoting success in Iraq, especially in the pursuit of national reconciliation. That will be the main focus of my discussions with Iraqi ministers and those from neighb o u r i n g states."

The meeting, where US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will sit down with Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki, is the most important between American and Iranian officials since President George Bush took office in 2001.
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Mills75
 
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Reply Thu 3 May, 2007 08:43 pm
Of course, the question is: would we (the US and allies) still be there in force if not for the insurgency?
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2007 02:38 pm
mills wrote :

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Of course, the question is: would we (the US and allies) still be there in force if not for the insurgency?


but would there be any insurgency if the u.s. and britain had not invaded iraq ?
hbg
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Mills75
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2007 04:53 pm
hamburger wrote:
mills wrote :

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Of course, the question is: would we (the US and allies) still be there in force if not for the insurgency?


but would there be any insurgency if the u.s. and britain had not invaded iraq ?
hbg
It's a vicious cycle. The U.S. and allies invaded removing the social force that kept the various factions in check, then these factions slow the invaders' withdrawal. The insurgency has been the predominant excuse for prolonging the occupation.

Of course, one has to wonder to what extent the White House expected precisely what has happened in Iraq.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2007 05:16 pm
Mills75 wrote:
Of course, the question is: would we (the US and allies) still be there in force if not for the insurgency?


But if tomorrow, an eerie silence befell the country with no carbombs, no mortar attacks, no kidnappings occurring and that quiet continued day after day, then week after week, when do you think the US and other foreign troops would completely withdraw from within Iraq's borders? Ever?

Does anyone believe that anyone in this administration has given up the idea of using Iraq as a giant aircraft carrier smack in the middle of the Middle East?

Joe(I haven't even mentioned the word oil.)Nation
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Mills75
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2007 05:22 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
Mills75 wrote:
Of course, the question is: would we (the US and allies) still be there in force if not for the insurgency?


But if tomorrow, an eerie silence befell the country with no carbombs, no mortar attacks, no kidnappings occurring and that quiet continued day after day, then week after week, when do you think the US and other foreign troops would completely withdraw from within Iraq's borders? Ever?

Does anyone believe that anyone in this administration has given up the idea of using Iraq as a giant aircraft carrier smack in the middle of the Middle East?

Joe(I haven't even mentioned the word oil.)Nation

Do you honestly believe we're going to abandon the oil in any event?
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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 08:43 am
The title of this thread is misleading: Gen. Rose said....

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Sir Michael, who has written a book comparing the insurgents' tactics with those of George Washington's forces in the American War of Independence, was asked last night on the BBC's Newsnight whether Iraqi militias were "right" to try to drive US forces out of Iraq.

He replied: "Yes, I do. As Lord Chatham said, when he was speaking on the British presence in North America, he said 'if I was an American, as I am an Englishman, as long as one Englishman remained on American native soil, I would never, never, never lay down my arms'.



...."try to drive US forces out of Iraq". Mostly they do that by non-cooperation, or passive resistance.
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