How many years does state funded education last in the USA?

i'm pretty sure that canada and the us are the same

this is how it works in the province of ontario

in canada you have kindergarten, then grades 1 through 8 are usually called elementary school, then high school being grades 9 through 12 (there used to be a 13th year)

in the states i think they break up the years a little differently, sort of like 1 through 6 being elementary, 7 through 10 being junior high (maybe 7 - 9), then 11 and 12 being senior high (maybe 10 - 12)

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djjd62 wrote:

i'm pretty sure that canada and the us are the same

this is how it works in the province of ontario

in canada you have kindergarten, then grades 1 through 8 are usually called elementary school, then high school being grades 9 through 12 (there used to be a 13th year)

in the states i think they break up the years a little differently, sort of like 1 through 6 being elementary, 7 through 10 being junior high (maybe 7 - 9), then 11 and 12 being senior high (maybe 10 - 12)

Right. Some school systems do the "Junior High" (aka "Middle School") and others just do a straight 4 year high school. That seems to depend on the size of the school districts.

But as you said, free public education runs through grade 12.

College funding is a mis-mash of things. For Public colleges, the state contributes a portion of their operating costs with the rest being covered by private donations and tuition/fees. There is a Federally run student aid program where students can apply for grants and/or loans and there are various work/study programs.

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dlowan wrote:

She said that years 11 and 12 happen in "college" and people have to pay, or get some sort of funding, kind of like university here.

Actually, what here in Germany (and in England and France) is in the years 11 and 12 at grammar schools (or equivalent), is - as far as I have noticed - taught in the USA on colleges.
Might be that is the background for this remark?
(Happy Easterbunny, ehem .... happy Easter ¶,¶ Bunny :wink: )

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Thanks guys.

So...this woman spoke crap, as I thought? I'm not interested in how it gets broken up...from what Fishin said, it's publicly funded through to year 12, right?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

dlowan wrote:
She said that years 11 and 12 happen in "college" and people have to pay, or get some sort of funding, kind of like university here.

Actually, what here in Germany (and in England and France) is in the years 11 and 12 at grammar schools (or equivalent), is - as far as I have noticed - taught in the USA on colleges.
Might be that is the background for this remark?
(Happy Easterbunny, ehem .... happy Easter ¶,¶ Bunny :wink: )

Ok...so at what point do Americans matriculate?

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Occasionally--very occasionally--students apply to and are admitted to colleges after completing their Junior or Sophmore year in public (taxpayer funded) high school.

More frequently students in small high schools often take courses in local colleges which count towards either their high school graduation requirements or advanced placement in college or both. Here parents usually pay the tuition money.

Scholarships to two-year community colleges are very common. This would be taxpayer funded for "grades" 13 & 14.

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Noddy24 wrote:

Occasionally--very occasionally--students apply to and are admitted to colleges after completing their Junior or Sophmore year in public (taxpayer funded) high school.

More frequently students in small high schools often take courses in local colleges which count towards either their high school graduation requirements or advanced placement in college or both. Here parents usually pay the tuition money.

Scholarships to two-year community colleges are very common. This would be taxpayer funded for "grades" 13 & 14.

Yes...but the extraneous stuff just confuses me.

In the USA the 12 years of school are PUBLICLY funded, unless your parents choose to send you to private school, right?

Just yes or no please.

I wanna nail this woman.

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Wabbit said

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In the USA the 12 years of school are PUBLICLY funded, unless your parents choose to send you to private school, right?

Just yes or no please.

I wanna nail this woman.

Yes.

p.s. Here in the south, we are taught that matriculation, even in marriage, is a mortal sin.

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dlowan wrote:

In the USA the 12 years of school are PUBLICLY funded, unless your parents choose to send you to private school, right?

Just yes or no please.

Yes

dlowan wrote:

Ok...so at what point do Americans matriculate?

After 12 years of public (or private) school.

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LionTamerX wrote:

p.s. Here in the south, we are taught that matriculation, even in marriage, is a mortal sin.

heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .

I hear y'all also don't engage in sex, because you're afraid it might lead to dancing . . .

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Publicly funded education NORMALY is Kindergarten through grade 12, with most graduating around the age of 18 depending on their date of birth. This is for all states.

However, Pre-kindergarten is publicly funded through Head Start for children found to be at risk prior to starting kindergarten, AND

If a student fails, gets a late start, has special needs,etc., publicly funded education can run through age 21 if it takes that student to age 21 to get through the materials covered through grade 12.

In other words, there are exceptions. Basically, k-12 (ages 5-18) but it can be longer (ages 4 - 21) At 21 the person is no longer entitled to publicly funded education.

And that's the facts.

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It used to be longer in some places, in California anyway. The University of California had no tuition until that was changed during the Reagan governership. I think the "fee" my first semester was $26.00.
I don't know if there is tuition in the two year community colleges in CA now.

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LionTamerX wrote:

Wabbit said

Quote:

In the USA the 12 years of school are PUBLICLY funded, unless your parents choose to send you to private school, right?

Just yes or no please.

I wanna nail this woman.

Yes.

p.s. Here in the south, we are taught that matriculation, even in marriage, is a mortal sin.

Thank you!!!!

PS: heehee....

JPB wrote:

dlowan wrote:

In the USA the 12 years of school are PUBLICLY funded, unless your parents choose to send you to private school, right?

Just yes or no please.

Yes

dlowan wrote:
Ok...so at what point do Americans matriculate?

After 12 years of public (or private) school.

Thank you again!!!

squinney wrote:

Publicly funded education NORMALY is Kindergarten through grade 12, with most graduating around the age of 18 depending on their date of birth. This is for all states.

However, Pre-kindergarten is publicly funded through Head Start for children found to be at risk prior to starting kindergarten, AND

If a student fails, gets a late start, has special needs,etc., publicly funded education can run through age 21 if it takes that student to age 21 to get through the materials covered through grade 12.

In other words, there are exceptions. Basically, k-12 (ages 5-18) but it can be longer (ages 4 - 21) At 21 the person is no longer entitled to publicly funded education.

And that's the facts.

So...I've nailed her?

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Yes!

Enjoy!

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squinney wrote:

Yes!

Enjoy!

Lol! I amn't usually this feral about stuff like this, but she was saying a whole lot of stuff that I just KNEW wasn't true, and I gave evidence and all that, but she wouldn't listen, and was SOOOOOOOOO superior about it.

Now I won't see her for another year, I bet, and it will be way too uncool to mention it when I do see her.

Grrrrrr......

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All right, I looked it up. California Community colleges still are low cost, sans tuition. Here's the present fee system for the community college I took a few summer courses at -

http://www.smc.edu/catalog/2006_2007/default.htm
quote -

Fees & Tuition

The California residency status of students determines whether they are required to pay tuition in addition to enrollment and other fees. See the College Policies section in this catalog (included online in the Part 4 .pdf available at the main catalog webpage) for details on residency.

ENROLLMENT FEE

All students?-both resident and nonresident?-enrolling in credit or graded classes must pay a State-mandated enrollment fee of $26 per unit (subject to change). This fee is subject to change without notice. Students who are California residents may be exempt from paying enrollment fees and Health Services fees if they file a BOG Fee Waiver application with the Financial Aid Office and can document that they are recipients of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF, formerly AFDC), Social Security Income (SSI) or General Relief (GR). For more information about fee waivers and their eligibility requirements, contact the Financial Aid Office before starting enrollment procedures.

NONRESIDENT TUITION

Students classified as nonresidents must pay tuition in addition to enrollment fees. Tuition for students who are both citizens and residents of a foreign country (including F-1 visa students) is $180 per semester unit. Tuition for other students classified as nonresidents is $155 per semester unit. For information about deadlines for paying all fees, the definition of legal residence, nonresident reclassification, or tuition refund policies, see the College Policies, Rules, and Regulations section of this catalog, check the SMC website (www.smc.edu), or contact the Admissions Office. To find current deadline dates for paying all fees or receiving refunds, see the SMC website (www.smc.edu) or consult the College Policies section of the Schedule of Classes.
End/quote

So, at least in my old area, you can add two more years on to K-12, thus, 15 years. (I consider $26. a unit as a fee equivalent to my $26. a semester back in 1960, considering 47 years of inflation.)

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She's wrong. You're right. Full stop.

HOWEVER, one other piece of information that may be helpful (as in if she throws some variation of this at you and you can say "yes but that's a special case..."). I did take college classes in 11th and 12th grade, at no cost to me. For example, when I was in 12th grade and hadn't yet graduated, instead of taking a science class at my high school, I took an astronomy class at the University of Minnesota, and that was paid for. I don't remember the name of the program and don't know how widespread it is.

There are also AP classes, which are a similar concept but work differently in terms of where you take the class. (It is taken by high school students at their school; the class itself is merely at a higher level than standard high school classes.) "AP" stands for "Advanced Placement." You often (maybe always?) get university credit if you pass an exam at the end of the class. So I took, while still in high school, an AP English class that allowed me to skip an introductory university freshman English class. I had that credit on my transcript already, before I started university.

AP classes are usually offered in 11th and 12th grade, and if your opponent has any meat to her argument, that's probably it.

More info:

http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/about.html

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Thanks guys.

That AP thing is a good idea.....

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Four-year-old programs are now available in virtually all our public schools here. That would be Pre-Kindergarten, Deb. Kindergarten typically starts at age 5. So, if you count Pre-K, Kindergarten and the regular 12 grades, that's 14 years of publicly-funded education. For schools in small towns and communities that don't offer Pre-K (yet...it's coming), it's 13 years 'til graduation.

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