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Christianity as a cult

 
 
skeptical
 
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Reply Mon 16 Apr, 2007 06:19 am
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And apparently your point is that the word 'cult' has several definitions, some of them pejorative and some not.

Yes, many words have multiple definitions, and depending on context can carry quite different meanings.

Syllabic emphasis alone can transform phrases such as 'yeah right' from a simple acknowledgement to high sarcasm.



I see your point, but it's not a good one. Yes, words can have different meaning based on how they are used, but that doesn't change the fact that by definition christianity is a cult.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 16 Apr, 2007 09:23 am
Your brush is broad enough to label all religions as cults. But the word 'cult' implies a further defining.
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skeptical
 
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Reply Mon 16 Apr, 2007 04:38 pm
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Your brush is broad enough to label all religions as cults. But the word 'cult' implies a further defining.


It seems that you are wanting to discuss the more in depth definition of a cult, rather than the simple dictionary definition I first posted. Although I'd originally started this topic because I was interested in discussing how the word "cult" has come to be linked with so many strange groups of people following beliefs and ideas rejected by the majority, when really it's clear straightforward definition seems to include all forms of organized belief systems. This is really what I am interested in, I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear in the first post. What are your thoughts on the more simple definition? Concidering that most religions fit this one definition, going deeper into the meaning of the word, how else do you think most religions fit the word "cult"?

...Maybe this is starting not to make sense...well, if it does, keep posting, or if it doesnt' ask me to clarify, and I'll try my best.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2007 05:25 am
Skeptical, don't throw the baby out with the bath water...

Websters does not define the word "cult" so aptly.

A cult is a group of people that believe something that the majority of the rest of the world do not believe or understand. This does not mean that this minority of people are wrong but it does mean that there is a disagreement in the idea of what the "truth" is...

Quite often there is truth in nearly everything but only half truth. In order to travel from one place to another successfully one must know the set of directions correctly. If one part of the directions are faulty then it will mislead and one will arrive at their destination in the wrong place.

Jesus Christ was a cult leader because the world crucified him because he did not fit their idea at the time of a messiah.

But was Jesus wrong or was the world wrong for killing an innocent man?

Jesus symbolizes that freedom of thought should be a human right no matter what traditional customs and beliefs prevail.

The "moral majority" uses the word cult to ostracize anything that disagrees with it's canonized traditions that they espouse. So the moral majority can become an antagonist against diversity and change. It does by it's own tradition obscure the truth.

Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
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skeptical
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2007 08:38 am
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Skeptical, don't throw the baby out with the bath water...

Websters does not define the word "cult" so aptly.

A cult is a group of people that believe something that the majority of the rest of the world do not believe or understand. This does not mean that this minority of people are wrong but it does mean that there is a disagreement in the idea of what the "truth" is...

Quite often there is truth in nearly everything but only half truth. In order to travel from one place to another successfully one must know the set of directions correctly. If one part of the directions are faulty then it will mislead and one will arrive at their destination in the wrong place.

Jesus Christ was a cult leader because the world crucified him because he did not fit their idea at the time of a messiah.

But was Jesus wrong or was the world wrong for killing an innocent man?

Jesus symbolizes that freedom of thought should be a human right no matter what traditional customs and beliefs prevail.

The "moral majority" uses the word cult to ostracize anything that disagrees with it's canonized traditions that they espouse. So the moral majority can become an antagonist against diversity and change. It does by it's own tradition obscure the truth.

Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?


First of all, RexRed, I own a Websters dictionary, which I consulted for the defintion, the definition I have given is ONE of the definitions, but a correct definition I assure you.

Now, what you need to understand, is that I am addressing the word from this simple definition first. You have gone straight to defending your beliefs, which are not being attacked. My point however, has been clearly made by what you have said. The word does indeed have different meanings, and most associate the word with the more in-depth definition, the one I believe you are getting at.

Alright, this discussion so far, isn't getting anywhere. So, I have this to think about. Concidering the definition of the word so many of you are eager to talk about, which has been given by others in the post, how is it that religions generally speaking are similar to a cult? If you don't think there are similarities, explain why.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2007 11:27 am
skeptical wrote:
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Skeptical, don't throw the baby out with the bath water...

Websters does not define the word "cult" so aptly.

A cult is a group of people that believe something that the majority of the rest of the world do not believe or understand. This does not mean that this minority of people are wrong but it does mean that there is a disagreement in the idea of what the "truth" is...

Quite often there is truth in nearly everything but only half truth. In order to travel from one place to another successfully one must know the set of directions correctly. If one part of the directions are faulty then it will mislead and one will arrive at their destination in the wrong place.

Jesus Christ was a cult leader because the world crucified him because he did not fit their idea at the time of a messiah.

But was Jesus wrong or was the world wrong for killing an innocent man?

Jesus symbolizes that freedom of thought should be a human right no matter what traditional customs and beliefs prevail.

The "moral majority" uses the word cult to ostracize anything that disagrees with it's canonized traditions that they espouse. So the moral majority can become an antagonist against diversity and change. It does by it's own tradition obscure the truth.

Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?


First of all, RexRed, I own a Websters dictionary, which I consulted for the defintion, the definition I have given is ONE of the definitions, but a correct definition I assure you.

Now, what you need to understand, is that I am addressing the word from this simple definition first. You have gone straight to defending your beliefs, which are not being attacked. My point however, has been clearly made by what you have said. The word does indeed have different meanings, and most associate the word with the more in-depth definition, the one I believe you are getting at.

Alright, this discussion so far, isn't getting anywhere. So, I have this to think about. Concidering the definition of the word so many of you are eager to talk about, which has been given by others in the post, how is it that religions generally speaking are similar to a cult? If you don't think there are similarities, explain why.


Religion because it's common belief is so widespread to differ with it is to be considered a cult. So I would be considered myself in a cult because my brand of Christianity differs so much from the accepted Christian faith collectively. If Christianity suddenly became so unpopular that few actually believed in it then it too would fall under the definition of a cult.

Websters is wrong on so many words it is pitiful.

For instance wikipedia defines carpe diem as "seize the day" but on simple observation one can realize carpe should be translated "capture" or capture the day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpe_diem

Nowhere on the wikipedia page will you see the word capture. Neither will you on dictionary.com (which is Webster's) which also references several dictionaries at once.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/carpe%20diem

If you want to trust Websters to define every word then there would be no need for specialized text books. Science terms that differ from discipline to discipline and all would be contained therein but the dictionary is sorely lacking when it comes to specialized words and words deeply associated with disciplines in themselves. Specialists can define words of their own disciplines usually much more accurately than the limited staff at Websters.

Christianity is only a cult when it falls out of the mainstream of ideas and practices of the majority of the populace. Maybe you are anxious for that to happen but I will venture to say you may have a long wait. Smile

Here is another example, the name Hermes means "son of (or the branch of) Ham... Find that definition anywhere in the encyclopedias or dictionaries of the world.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hermes

Webster's meaning 6 of the word cult.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.

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Christians in America are the "conventional society" considering less than 10% of Americans do not believe in God. A religious institution branded as an actual cult with the actual truth is still a cult simply because it is unpopular and the minority.

Considering there are so few atheists and agnostics in America, they are actually the cults in our day and time. They follow their God hating leaders unquestionably.
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skeptical
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2007 04:18 pm
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the definition I have given is ONE of the definitions, but a correct definition I assure you.


There you go, on and on about my definition when I've already said that it is only ONE of the definitions. You are argueing something, that as I have already made clear, there is no arguement about, yes, there are more definitions than the one in the dictionary, but I was discussing that particular one. Thank you for pointing out what everyone else already has, and that is that "it's a very vague definition".

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Christianity is only a cult when it falls out of the mainstream of ideas and practices of the majority of the populace. Maybe you are anxious for that to happen but I will venture to say you may have a long wait.


I never said that, I resent your assumption.

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Comment:
Christians in America are the "conventional society" considering less than 10% of Americans do not believe in God. A religious institution branded as an actual cult with the actual truth is still a cult simply because it is unpopular and the minority.

Considering there are so few atheists and agnostics in America, they are actually the cults in our day and time. They follow their God hating leaders unquestionably.


Now RexRed, I'm going to address this isane statement.
Atheism can't be a cult because:
1) There is no leader and/or higher being which is followed.
2) It is not a religious point of view, but rather the rejection of religion for scientific explanation.

Oh, and don't go posting percentages without saying where they came from.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2007 04:53 pm
My comments are in the color red
skeptical wrote:
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the definition I have given is ONE of the definitions, but a correct definition I assure you.


There you go, on and on about my definition when I've already said that it is only ONE of the definitions. You are argueing something, that as I have already made clear, there is no arguement about, yes, there are more definitions than the one in the dictionary, but I was discussing that particular one. Thank you for pointing out what everyone else already has, and that is that "it's a very vague definition".

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Christianity is only a cult when it falls out of the mainstream of ideas and practices of the majority of the populace. Maybe you are anxious for that to happen but I will venture to say you may have a long wait.


I never said that, I resent your assumption.

If I made an incorrect assumption I am sorry. I agree my words may have been undeservedly course.

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Christians in America are the "conventional society" considering less than 10% of Americans do not believe in God. A religious institution branded as an actual cult with the actual truth is still a cult simply because it is unpopular and the minority.

Considering there are so few atheists and agnostics in America, they are actually the cults in our day and time. They follow their God hating leaders unquestionably.


Now RexRed, I'm going to address this isane statement.
Atheism can't be a cult because:

The human capacity for adoration must be directed somewhere. The atheist simply usurps God's domain and directs the adoration towards self, inanimate objects or others in an inordinate way.

1) There is no leader and/or higher being which is followed.

Untrue, atheism has had many self proclaimed leaders (including self worship and other forms of idolatry, including the love of knowledge.)... ...

2) It is not a religious point of view, but rather the rejection of religion for scientific explanation.

A rejection of religion is most certainly a religious point of view. Atheists are rejecting the unknown which is just another dogma concerning spiritual matters.

Oh, and don't go posting percentages without saying where they came from.



Excuse me, I was incorrect, atheists make up only 8% of the world "cults"... My mistake.


http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

I would rather be your friend rather than considered an antagonist. I hope you don't think I intentionally come off that way. My opinion may not always agree with yours though I may disagree, that at least today, that Christianity is a cult, I am eager and willing to hear you out. I will agree that it may be a cult from your own reckoning. regardless of how a cult is defined Christianity is still the largest group of people.it is the largest cult of people. That does not in my book actually qualify as a "cult". Christians are also the most unified body of people on the face of the earth.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2007 05:19 pm
I might also mention that pie chart Christianity also encompasses all of Islam because Christ Jesus was Mohammed's messiah as he was also pure semitic.
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skeptical
 
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Reply Wed 18 Apr, 2007 07:03 am
The figures sound reasonable, Christianity's following is large.

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I would rather be your friend rather than considered an antagonist. I hope you don't think I intentionally come off that way. My opinion may not always agree with yours though I may disagree, that at least today, that Christianity is a cult, I am eager and willing to hear you out. I will agree that it may be a cult from your own reckoning. regardless of how a cult is defined Christianity is still the largest group of people.it is the largest cult of people. That does not in my book actually qualify as a "cult". Christians are also the most unified body of people on the face of the earth.


Yes, Christianity is not a cult in the respect that it is small, because it isn't, people all over the world follow the chrisitian religion.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 18 Apr, 2007 07:38 am
If not a cult what than is religion, any religion. The religions that we see today are those cults that have successfully sold themselves.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 18 Apr, 2007 07:55 am
au1929 wrote:
If not a cult what than is religion, any religion. The religions that we see today are those cults that have successfully sold themselves.
well you have mad a good point here.


The Christian Science, Jehovah's Witness, Mormons, and 7th Day Adventist, and many other religions just a few years ago were termed as cults but now they seem to be accepted as mainstream. Yet these cults have changed their stances on many erroneous issues that have seems to have legitimized them.

Romney being a Mormon may be our next president.

This is worthy of note... This subject is getting more interesting.
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skeptical
 
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Reply Wed 18 Apr, 2007 04:26 pm
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If not a cult what than is religion, any religion. The religions that we see today are those cults that have successfully sold themselves.


I like this point au1929.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 18 Apr, 2007 05:30 pm
The focus of the cult issue is the truth, not what people make of it.

The truth will remain the truth no matter how humans distort and extort it.

Whether the world believes in a creator or not does not negate or validate the creator's existence.

Even science should be capable of reasoning that you cannot have matter without creation. Where there is no creation, nothing exists...
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skeptical
 
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Reply Thu 19 Apr, 2007 06:53 am
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The focus of the cult issue is the truth, not what people make of it.

The truth will remain the truth no matter how humans distort and extort it.

Whether the world believes in a creator or not does not negate or validate the creator's existence.

Even science should be capable of reasoning that you cannot have matter without creation. Where there is no creation, nothing exists...


Hey there RexRed, don't get off topic, we are NOT discussing creation and evolution here, we're talking about cults.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Apr, 2007 07:55 am
skeptical wrote:
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The focus of the cult issue is the truth, not what people make of it.

The truth will remain the truth no matter how humans distort and extort it.

Whether the world believes in a creator or not does not negate or validate the creator's existence.

Even science should be capable of reasoning that you cannot have matter without creation. Where there is no creation, nothing exists...


Hey there RexRed, don't get off topic, we are NOT discussing creation and evolution here, we're talking about cults.


I am just stating the cults cannot not change the underlying reality behind life, they may obscure it in people's psyche and consciousness but they cannot alter immutable truths.
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skeptical
 
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Reply Thu 19 Apr, 2007 02:42 pm
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I am just stating the cults cannot not change the underlying reality behind life, they may obscure it in people's psyche and consciousness but they cannot alter immutable truths.


Alright RexRed, now that you've got that out of your system, lets stay on topic.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 20 Apr, 2007 01:11 am
skeptical wrote:
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I am just stating the cults cannot not change the underlying reality behind life, they may obscure it in people's psyche and consciousness but they cannot alter immutable truths.


Alright RexRed, now that you've got that out of your system, lets stay on topic.


I will say that religion has drifted so far from the truth that from someone's perspective who might be aware of this truth, religion becomes the cult. No matter the numbers, it seems everyone is a cult but the individual who connects directly to God.. That is the only way to unity of the spirit.

(cult members make great sales people...) Smile
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