THE BRITISH THREAD II

@oralloy,

OMG......according to the American Journalist (HAHA) a few years back the Conservatives were going to get their asses kicked for working to defund social programs wholesale, for not running to the aid of the desperately in trouble team Europe.

I'll say again: the Elite increasingly have not the first ******* clue what is going on in this society. They cant ever get out of their delirium, brought on by their Ivy League indoctrinations.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

OMG......according to the American Journalist (HAHA) a few years back the Conservatives were going to get their asses kicked for working to defund social programs wholesale, for not running to the aid of the desperately in trouble team Europe.

I'll say again: the Elite increasingly have not the first ******* clue what is going on in this society. They cant ever get out of their delirium, brought on by their Ivy League indoctrinations.

I just heard an analyst suggest there may soon be another Scottish independence referendum because these results will result in strong tension between the Scottish National Party and the Conservative Party.

I hope not. Not that I want to oppress the Scots or anything, but the last one seemed to result in so many hurt feelings.

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@oralloy,

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEdbEeyXIAA3Ud5.jpg

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@oralloy,

Best Tweet:
it’s a beautiful white and gold dress
http://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/596639022644129792

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEeuODTWYAAjoJM.png:large

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@hawkeye10,

All the polls got it wrong, all of them. If you thought otherwise you kept it quiet until now. There is no liberal elite, the elite is deeply conservative, always has been.

What's typical is that you're expressing an opinion about something you no absolutely nothing about in extremely forthright tones.

Anyone else get that feeling of deja vu? It's like 92, when a very negative tabloid campaign kept Major in office. The real elite don't like it when their non dom status is threatened.

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@izzythepush,

is UKIP completely toasted?

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@ehBeth,

i hope not, they're some of the best bits of the BBC Friday Night Comedy Podcast

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@ehBeth,

No, if anything this is their best performance in a General Election. Their two MPs were Tory defectors who won by elections after defecting. Now one of them has won a seat in a General Election.

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@izzythepush,

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All the polls got it wrong, all of them.

Irrelevant to my point, which was that several years ago we were getting told that the conservatives were out of line, that they would certainly be creamed by the voters the next time they were needing to get elected. Maybe it did not happen there, but on this side of the pond the conservative programs were mocked as idiocy, as bringing certain economic doom to you and your people. Pretty much none of the journalists assertions ever came to pass.

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@hawkeye10,

You don't know what you're talking about. The Conservatives are like your Democrats. for a start they're publicly committed to Universal Health Care.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/09/article-0-0C3EB21700000578-638_468x311.jpg

One hand washes the other. Cameron loves being pictured with Obama, he thinks it makes him look cool. He runs from photo opportunities with Republicans like the plague.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/John+Boehner+Nancy+Pelosi+British+Prime+Minister+0d4KWVt5fqVl.jpg

The Tories are nothing like your Republicans at all, for a start they're publicly committed to Universal Health Care. The closest you can get to Republican is UKIP and they ended up with 1 MP.

http://www.prmoment.com/images/cms/nigel.jpeg

He's got the same insane glint in his eye as most Republicans, you have to give him that.

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@izzythepush,

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The Tories are nothing like your Republicans at all, for a start they're publicly committed to Universal Health Care. The closest you can get to Republican is UKIP and they ended up with 1 MP.

Likewise the European Feminists are committed to collective supported childcare, unlike the American Feminists who have done almost nothing in that front. That however does not mean that they are not all feminsts.

You would do better to argue the issues rather than attack me. I am a lot smarter than you are, you are never going to win that game.

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@hawkeye10,

You're a bloody idiot and a delusional one at that. There's no collective group of American or European feminists, just a lot of different people with a lot of different ideas. Only sad conspiracy nutters think otherwise.

Interesting that when you're challenged on something you know absolutely nothing about, you automatically rush for your security blanket of the perils of international feminism and claiming to be smart.

It reeks of desperation, it's like arguing with a five year old. They like to be told they're a clever boy too.

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The SNP got what they wanted, but not in the way they wanted. The governments are completely polarised now, with the predictable tensions which have been noted here by others, and Cameron's Tories have exploited the situation skilfully, stirring up English nationalism and sense of grievance. The collapse of the Labour (socialist) vote elsewhere does not help the SNP.
I never saw such hypocrisy as shown by Cameron today, in his speech about "one nation" when his every effort and utterance on the subject in the last few weeks has been intended to widen the rift.

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@McTag,

That's spot on.

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@izzythepush,

So they've gone from 2 to 1, but that 1 is by way of election.

Got it.

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Redrawing constituency boundaries to lock Labour out of power for a decades is at the top of the agenda for the new Conservative government, senior Tories have said.

The changes to parliamentary boundaries, blocked in the last Parliament, could be confirmed quickly and take effect at the 2020 general election, party sources suggested.

Boundary reform is on a list of Tory policies the party was unable to implement in coalition with the Liberal Democrats and which the new government will now push ahead with.

Giving new powers to the police and security services to monitor electronic communications -- dubbed the “snooper’s charter” by critics -- will also be high on the Tory agenda. Abolishing the Human Rights Act and implementing a British Bill of Rights is also on the list.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11593496/New-Commons-boundaries-top-Conservative-government-agenda.html

"For a decades".... Hmm. I wonder if the final version of that was supposed to be "for a decade" or "for decades".

Maybe someone will catch it and edit in a fix on their website.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

So they've gone from 2 to 1, but that 1 is by way of election.
Got it.

In the 2010 general election, UKIP got 3.1% of the popular vote, came first in 0 constituencies, second in 0 constituencies, and third in 4 constituencies.

In the 2015 general election, UKIP got 12.6% of the popular vote, came first in 1 constituency, second in 120 constituencies, and third in 364 constituencies.

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@ehBeth,

Their share of the vote has gone up, but they're victims of their own hype. They got the biggest share of the vote in the Euro elections, but the British don't take Euro elections seriously and use them as a protest vote, similar to by elections. Farage chose the seat UKIP was most likely to win and lost, he said he would resign if he lost, he has, but he's not ruled standing again in the leadership contest in September. I think he's just taking a holiday.

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@oralloy,

Some very interesting statistics were quoted last night on Question Time, TV political debate programme.
Apparently the "parliamentary seats per voter number", under our current system, worked out at about 22,000 (Scottish Nationalist) against 4,500,000 (UKIP).
So the system doesn't work well for everybody; which is to say that if your party polls second in every constituency, you could have 40% of the votes cast and end up with nothing.
The Tories want to gerrymander boundaries so as to make less likely any future Labour gains.

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@McTag,

Any gerrymandering will be challenged in the courts. Remember what happened to Shirley Porter?

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