THE BRITISH THREAD II

@Lordyaswas,

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Scottish competitors were out there vying for medals. We (the English) were rooting for every single one of them, and they know it.

Let's gloss over the fact that Andy Murray is British when he wins, and Scottish when he loses, according to the London media.

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@McTag,

I see you didn't dispute the moaning bit.

I never said that Scotland was not a net contributor. I simply stated that they receive more per capita than the English.

I believe that that is a fact.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

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Scottish competitors were out there vying for medals. We (the English) were rooting for every single one of them, and they know it.

Let's gloss over the fact that Andy Murray is British when he wins, and Scottish when he loses, according to the London media.

Oh dear. The victim bit again.

I think that the English are able to determine that Andy Murray is Scottish and proud.
Is he representing Britain when he is at Wimbledon? No. He is Scottish through and through, and we still cheer him to the rafters.

Why is it that whenever the English are being nice, there is always some snide comment from a Scot to try and undermine our reason for being nice?

If the nationality and venues were swapped, I wouldn't imagine for one minute that the Scots would be cheering for an English Murray if he were competing in a major final in Scotland.

What is the saying? Anyone but the English?

How very unbritish.

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@Lordyaswas,

quote]What is the saying? Anyone but the English?[/quote]

That is very true, and very prevalent especially in Glasgow and the west. But you should consider where that attitude came from. The Scots ("We're a' Jock Tamson's bairns") as a nation tend to love everybody, unless they are a shower of supercilious, patronising, arrogant bastards.
Wink

Anhoo this has gotten a tad sour. I think you, Issy and Romeo must drink in the same boozer.

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@Lordyaswas,

When Scotland bails, and everyone in the world realizes that England is only as big as Mississippi, all those countries whose cultural treasures you've pillaged will want their stuff back.

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@McTag,

My intent was to improve my own understanding of the situation, and I think that has been largely accomplished. These are always sensitive issues and, in the case at hand, there is a long history behind them. Unfortunately in today's world the external conditions attending the possible emergence of a new nation in a complex world are likely to determine the efficacy of the final outcome, whatever it may be, more than the issues that divide the parties. I think that may be the key point in the debate, Partition would give external forces and political entities powers, they don't currently have, over the fates of the parties, and that may not be in either's best interest. The devil you know....

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@McTag,

No, I think that the constant stream of Scottish whingeing over the past century has finally got to us. Very Happy

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@farmerman,

I shall return your corncob pipe by return of post.

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An interesting article......although Questions 1 and 2 are totally irrelevant or not very interesting to most Brits.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2747275/SIMON-HEFFER-Ten-burning-questions-Scotland-votes-yes.html

One interesting little snippet......

"The Scots deny being a burden on the English taxpayer, but Scottish government figures for 2012-13 estimated that £65.2 billion was spent that year in Scotland against £47.6 billion raised in revenues.
When that £17.6 billion isn’t being doled out to the Scots, it could be used to give a tax cut to the English."

Another.......

"International law precedents suggest that maritime borders follow land ones.
As the border between Scotland and England runs diagonally from south-west to north-east, the western border would extend south-west into the Solway Firth and the northern one at Berwick north-east into the North Sea.
This would mean that some oil the Scots regard as theirs —because they imagine the border running along a horizontal line of latitude — would in fact be English....."

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@Lordyaswas,

The border (on the sea) really is quite interesting.

It got regulated internally by the Civil Jurisdiction (Offshore Activities) Order 1987 and the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999.

Actually, "international law" isn't so clear as both sides claim. Thus, we've got quite a few disputed sea boundaries ... and those disputes were solved by various means.
A report in the European Journal of International Law : Prospective Anglo-Scottish Maritime Border Revisited

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@farmerman,

Like Winnie the Pooh?

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@Lordyaswas,

Lordyaswas wrote:

No, I think that the constant stream of Scottish whingeing over the past century has finally got to us.

From our distance, we think you ALL whinge.

We don't bother to differentiate at all.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Can't we talk about something else, like England's potential wipe out by Switzerland?

Watching the match just I noticed that the supporters chanted and played quite often "God Save The King" ... getting whistled out by the Swiss spectators who know that it's the British national anthem Wink

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

The border (on the sea) really is quite interesting.

It got regulated internally by the Civil Jurisdiction (Offshore Activities) Order 1987 and the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999.

Actually, "international law" isn't so clear as both sides claim. Thus, we've got quite a few disputed sea boundaries ... and those disputes were solved by various means.
A report in the European Journal of International Law : Prospective Anglo-Scottish Maritime Border Revisited

Very, very interesting, Walter, especially that last link.

Loads of waffle, blah blah blah, legal jargon etc....and then on pages 22 and 23 it gets down to the likely legal ruling.
If you draw a horizontal(ish) line that bisects oil field AUK, and then draw another horizontal line horizontsal(ish) to pass just below oil field ANGUS, then the area between these lines is likely to be deemed as "Common", where both countries can explore and develop.
Above the AUK line would be Scottish, and below the ANGUS line would be English, according to what is estimated to be the most likely ruling.

In that common area are many oilfields, which would be therefore presumably be jointly owned and therefore the income would be equally shared.
Below ANGUS would be English and therefore any income from oil production there would go into the "new" British coffers.

I shall try to find a map and print it up here.....

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@Lordyaswas,

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I think that the constant stream of Scottish whingeing over the past century has finally got to us

How rude.
I think what is getting to the Scots is, that then now see an opportunity to stop having to petition a government in Westminster which they didn't vote for.
As far as whinging is concerned today, it's Westminster which is screaming blue murder...at the realisation of what they have brought about.
They deliberately dropped Devo Max as an option, thinking the Scots will never vote for separation, and the whole thing could be kicked into the long grass. What now?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Seems like an odd form of independence if you ultimately remain part of the overall larger structure.

I don't think that national independence has something to do with the memberships in an international organisation.

Depends on the international organization. Being part of the EU means ceding some sovereignty to them.

I'm not sure how that is all that different from being part of the UK with a good bit of autonomy.

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@Lordyaswas,

so the Quebec situation could come into play

hmmm

hopefully people figure that out sooner rather than later

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

When Scotland bails, and everyone in the world realizes that England is only as big as Mississippi, all those countries whose cultural treasures you've pillaged will want their stuff back.

The UK is joining in Mr. Obama's plans to upgrade all our MIRV warheads to half-a-megaton.

That means UK subs will also be fielding half-megaton MIRV warheads in coming years.

If anyone wants to start trouble with us or the UK, they should first stop and calculate what half-a-megaton will do to a population center.

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