I'm not sure about people being envious of happy drunks, Spendi, probably more likely they're simply not scared or at least wary of them as they are with the yobs.
Well Tarah- people in the abject state of constant and unremitting sobriety would say that wouldn't they?
And there's another argument in relation to happy drunks who only exist in pubs. Drinking at home is a spectacularly miserable activity which I never take part in.
One of the fundamental contradictions of Capitalism is that workers have to be attracted from the country to the towns and cities if serious capital is to be produced. This leads to social activity and combination in unions and that destroys the free competition between workers on which Capitalism depends.
So Capitalism's mouthpieces need to keep the workers in cities and towns and attack the social activity and make combination more difficult.
Are you a Thatcherite? Most moping prohibitionists are.
So they stage a "confrontation". Give it a lot of publicity even at the cost of discrediting the nation and all the little goodie-goodies jump up and down, salute and see it as an opportunity to exercise their impulse for control freakery.
And this at a time of terrible news out of China and Burma and as if an unbruised copper on £40,000 a year who might well take a few weeks off to recover from his traumatic experience represents responsible news coverage. Ye gods!
I think everything will go fine in Moscow actually. Utd will win. Chelsea will get their heads kicked in by the omon. Sir Alex will be invited to join the big parade in Red Square, chair the politburo and herald the socialist dawn. Mr Putin will arrange for Abramovich to meet a sticky end.
Steve 41oo wrote:I think everything will go fine in Moscow actually. Utd will win. Chelsea will get their heads kicked in by the omon. Sir Alex will be invited to join the big parade in Red Square, chair the politburo and herald the socialist dawn. Mr Putin will arrange for Abramovich to meet a sticky end.
A soothsayer of distinction and high merit.
What more could one add.
Steve wrote-
Quote:I think everything will go fine in Moscow actually. Utd will win. Chelsea will get their heads kicked in by the omon. Sir Alex will be invited to join the big parade in Red Square, chair the politburo and herald the socialist dawn. Mr Putin will arrange for Abramovich to meet a sticky end.
Dream on Steve. Everything will go fine I'll admit. Chelsea will win. Utd fans will be carefully ushered in between the yellow tape designating the safety zones, in both directions, milked and mulched, and returned in scented cotton wool flounces back to their Mums after a bit of macho chanting once on the car park back in Cheadle, for the cameras, to prove that the spark still exists if nothing else.
And I can't see why Mr Putin could possibly wish to see Roman come to a sticky end unless it is one you need a Kleenex Super Absorber to unsticky.
Whilst out in my garden earlier today relaxing with a nice hot pot of tea some freshly made scones with strawberry jam and fresh cream, the serenity and enjoyment of the occasion was interrupted by the Landlord from the public house further up the road.
"Oh Mathos," he exclaimed, " What next?"
"Whatever is the problem John?'" I replied
"The Health Minister, Alan Johnson intends unveiling a £10million campaign to target middle class drinkers."
"So he should" I replied.
"The middle class drinking rabble are costing the country an arm and a leg, like the smokers used to do, they need educating John, and you should be considering closing the doors on that low life stinking ale house.
Now Mr Johnson intends revealing that 265,000 people were admitted to our hospitals in 2006/2007 for drink related problems, and that alcohol led to 6,500 deaths last year alone.
Deaths from alcohol related causes have soared by 46% in the last ten years.
Furthermore, it is known that 1 in every 8 men and one in every 14 women of the middle classes drink every day."
"Wow that is sad isn't it Mathos" replied John.
"Well you and your like are encouraging these terrible deeds John, it's almost like messing about with the traffic light sequences at rush hour or cutting through car seat belts with a stanley knife."
The government know what's best for all of us and I'm in favour of alcohol being totally banned, all the few remaining pubs should be closed down.
Clunk clink, ban the drink.
Okay I'm back from Orkney now.
I told you what the Rangers support would do in Manchester, but did anybody listen?
They let them drink all day, in the open, then attempted to have a "festival of sport" in the evening.
The sad deluded fools.
These people are animals.
That's what all the Darwinists say Mac.
It seems like throwing the towel in to me.
Did you catch anything and what was the Landlady like in the B&B?
We caught only a few fish, but I caught the biggest one. The fishing was disappointing, especially as on the third day we learned that a neighbouring loch had been very productive. (on the day we were sightseeing)
Orkney is a fabulous place for anyone with archaeological interests, with iron age, bronze age, and of course neolithic sites as well as Norse. The best example of nordic rune writing ever discovered is to be found in Maes Howe. Maes Howe is about 4000 years old, so the viking writing is ancient graffiti from about 600 AD. Skara Brae, only discovered after a storm exposed some of it about 1880, is 5000 years old.
No landlady to describe, sorry, but two of the waitresses in the hotel were Russian or Polish and one was very interesting indeed.
Here's the lady piper of Orkney:
Hey Francis!
We will be in la belle France from 4th July, tootling round the coast of Normandy. Looking forward to it.
I'd be quite happy if Chelsea won.
But I know one or two who wouldn't.
Go, and then what?
Chelsea are already in Moscow where Avram Grant is making a pitch for the Russian national team manager's job.
Did you drive up to Orkney McT? and how long did that take?
A bloody long time. But I did it in stages.
To Kirkcudbright- 3.5 hours
To Dundee via Edinburgh- 3 hours
To Scrabster (Thurso)- 5.75 hours
Ferry to Stromness- 1.5 hours.
Thats quite a journey McT.
I remember driving to Dounray once. Once was enough. Glad you enjoyed the fishing.
What's the best odds you've seen on Chelsea Spends?
I only bet on goal supremacy over 90 minutes plus any added on.
Utd are slight favourites. You can buy Utd at 0.2 or sell them at 0.0 goals. Buying Utd at £20 a goal you are losing £4 at the off and winning £16 if they score first. If they score again you're winning £36. If Chelsea then score you are back to + £16 and if they equalise your back --£4. If Chelsea then win with a hotly disputined penalty, the ref having been warned, in the last minute you are losing £24. If you are hooked up you can buy or sell at any time so if you are plus £36 you can then sell Utd, take no further risks and come out plus £32. That gap between 0.2 and 0.0 is called the "spread" ( £4 at £20 a goal and £20 at £100 a goal), and it's necessary to cover office expenses and other emoluments without which we wouldn't be able to bet at all except among ourselves and that's not respectable on account of the fighting it can cause about who said what beforehand and it's not nice taking money off your friends and even more not nicer them taking it off you.
So it isn't begrudged because all the fun would go out of the game without having an interest as it's just a bunch of millionaire sandwich board men chasing a ball about a field and not a lot different from raindrops running down the window.
I'm selling Utd and hoping for an 5-0 drubbing.
It's probably about 4 to 5 Utd and Evens Chelsea on who gets the cup. Which is about 110 over-round. On 90 minutes it would be something like 7 to 4 Utd, 2 to 1 Chelsea and 5 to 2 the draw.
It's like tossing a coin. Nobody can predict the result.
There's a lot of other bets as well. Time of goals. Scorers of goals. Number of goals. Yellow cards. Red card. Corners either multiplied or added. The betting number for added corners is about 10 give or take the spread. Or all combined.
It's the only way to watch football.
You can get a free bet. You just get desperate for spendi to lose so he won't come crowing on the thread. I might not approve but I do understand.
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5/17/2008
Champions League Final | Manchester United v. Chelsea Betting Predictions
Chelsea pushed Manchester United all the way in this season's Premier League against all predictions, but ultimately failed by the narrowest of margins on the final day of the season.
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Chelsea have been boosted by the recovery of John Terry and Didier Drogba, who both sustained injuries in the final league game of the season.
Drogba scored the winner in extra-time when the sides met in the 2007 FA Cup final, while a Michael Ballack double gave the Blues three points when the sides met at Stamford Bridge near the end of April.
Despite that recent defeat, Alex Ferguson feels confident of repeating his 1999 success in this competition with Man Utd.
Fergie was recently named Premier League manager of the season, while Cristiano Ronaldo scooped player of the season as well as the top scorer's golden boot, one of several plaudits the winger has earned.
Headlines in recent days have interpreted comments from Ronaldo as suggesting he is destined to leave for Real Madrid.
Such rumours are an unnecessary distraction for Man Utd's key player, and he will have to block the speculation out as he seeks to fulfil his potential on the biggest stage.
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What about Ricky Hatton v Juan Lazcano
Saturday 24th from the City of Manchester Stadium.
Quote:Big Fight Boxing Betting: Ricky Hatton v Juan Lazcano
Alex Steedman runs through the odds ahead of Ricky 'The Hitman' Hatton's UK re-appearance
There hasn't been much to cheer fans of Manchester City in recent weeks, that 8-1 hammering at Middlesboro the undertaker's final sneer at the 'Defenders of Sven'. But one of their most ardent followers - a certain Richard Hatton - will be keen to redress the balance on Saturday 24th when the prodigal son returns to Eastlands.
'The homecoming' is an event Hatton has long dreamed of, if not quite against an opponent that most British fans have longed for. Indeed, barely can you mention 'The Hitman' without muttering the name of domestic rival Junior Witter in the same breath.
But Witter's surprise World Title defeat to Timothy Bradley recently makes that exhausted debate almost redundant now and you just know Hatton wet his pants laughing at Witter's demise. That defeat may be British boxing's loss but in Juan Lazcano, Hatton has an opponent almost certain to make him look great in a fight that ought to catch fire.
Lazcano, 'The Hispanic creating panic,' certainly lived up to his name between 2000 and 2004 as he cut a swathe through the lightweight division, stopping nine opponents in succession en route to a World Title fight against then star Jose Luis Castillo. Castillo, you'll recall, made Floyd Mayweather Jnr work hard in two distance fights but was destroyed by Hatton last year, courtesy of one of the best body shots ever thrown. In truth, at top level, Lazcano has been Mexican't.
Following the Castillo fight, Lazcano stepped up to Hatton's light-welterweight division and won four on the spin until narrowly losing to Vivian Harris on points last February. Harris was sparked by Witter in September so you get the drift; this really ought to be Hatton v Witter. But Lazcano doesn't have Witter's punch nor his frustrating nuances; he's a come forward fighter who throws his punches in tidy clusters but having campaigned most of his career at lightweight, Lazcano is not big enough to carry out that strategy against a bullying 10 stone fighter like Hatton. At 1.14 to back Hatton is prohibitively priced but he will win, it's just a question of how.
Those interested in backing Hatton on points at 2.56 will be heartened to hear that Lazcano has only been stopped once in a four defeat career and that was 10 years ago. He has a decent chin and Hatton isn't renowned as a concussive puncher, save for the highlight reel K/O's of Carlos Maussa and Castillo.
Intense pressure, body punching and cumulative damage is Hatton's game and therefore late stoppages more likely. The problem is, Lazcano is a top 10 fighter up against a genuine World Champion -a pound for pound list operator - and such will be the likely weight/strength differential come fight night that an early Hatton win is not entirely ridiculous. Still, if pushed on a choice between the rounds 1-6 or 7-12 market, I would be inclined to punt on the latter.
Those hell bent on a Hatton stoppage win must consider his recent and only career defeat at the hands of Floyd Mayweather Jnr. Will that have any bearing on the way this fight develops?
Certainly mental fortitude has always been a Hatton strength but you never know how a fighter will react to defeat, even though it was against Boxing's elite fighter. More pertinent is the spectre of defeat which would cause financial carnage to the Hatton money-making road show. If he were to be embroiled in an unlikely struggle, Hatton winning on points would be far less ruinous than a loss and he did grind it out when fighting through a head cold against Juan Urango. That said, I still expect Hatton to sparkle.
Just imagine his mindset; fighting at Manchester City' Eastlands before a home crowd of 50,000 plus, back down to his hunting zone of 140 lbs against a straightforward and inferior opponent and Junior Witter just lost his WBC belt. Believe me, Hatton will be in great form and ready to do a number on Lazcano. Junior probably won't be watching but plenty of others will and I expect them to see the Hitman look sensational in becoming only the second man to halt Juan Lazcano, by late stoppage.
Big Fight Selections:
Hatton to win by K/O 1.85
Hatton to win R8, R9, R10 13.0, 14.0, 15.0
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A good week for Manchester all in all I rather think.
spendius wrote:I'm selling Utd and hoping for an 5-0 drubbing.
This little sentence betrays you S.
You're not quite the hard nosed cool hand Luke you would have us believe. You cant be because such a person doesnt hope. Or wish. Sell Utd yes but never say you hope for a 5-0 drubbing, such things are immaterial. In any case you would have bought at 3-0 and taken your profit.
Meanwhile I just hope Chelsea get stuffed.
ps I'm not averse to betting. I once placed a bet of >£7k... and won, but at such ridiculously short odds I only made a couple of hundred quid. That cured me.
"It's like tossing a coin. Nobody can predict the result"
I can. It's either heads, tails or a lost coin.
