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THE BRITISH THREAD II

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 03:52 am
I could imagine, some Mancunians know Simply Red better ... or at least the "Barca" :wink:
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 04:22 am
The Hollies, more like.

Smile
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Izzie
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 04:26 am
My favourite Hollies:

Suzanne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8AM-A19qU
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 04:46 am
McTag wrote:
I remember Elvis Costello's dad singing with the Billy Cotton Band.


No, the Joe Loss Orchestra

Ross MacManus - Elvis' Dad

BBC Radio Merseyside's Spencer Leigh has interviewed Elvis Costello's father, the dance band singer Ross McManus.

Can you take us right back, I know you were were born in Birkenhead, so can you tell us when that was?

That was on October 20, 1927. I was born in 338 or 328 Conway Street. They thought so much of me in Birkenhead they've knocked it down now, so my birthplace hasn't got a blue plaque on it.

Were you singing from an early age?

Yes I was. When I was 9 I used to sing with Mr Lowry from St. Thomas'. He was a tall, cadaverous man, always sucking a throat sweet, but he always had me next to him and we did complicated Requiem Masses. Only yesterday I did Kenneth MacDonald's funeral, Mike from 'Only Fools and Horses', and his widow wanted some Latin in the Mass. I did it from memory, so Mr Lowry's work was not wasted. Plainsong requires a very flexible voice and this has helped me a lot.

I first know of you getting involved in music with Liverpool jazz bands. Is that correct?

That's true and that's what I wanted to be. We had an orchestra at St Anselm's College and I played violin, but it was no instrument for jazz, not withstanding Stephane Grappelli, Stuff Smith and the guys who played violin with Duke Ellington. I wanted to be a jazz trumpeter. I was in the RAF for two years in Egypt and I met Russ Shepherd who lived in South -East London and we got interested in be-bop. I borrowed my dad's trumpet but Dizzy Gillespie was too clever for me. I could do a fairly good Miles Davis who was less complicated but a great chooser of beautiful notes. We had a group in Birkenhead called Ross McManus and the New Era Music in 1950 and we were doing be-bop things, but it depended on my singing really. There was Bert Green on piano, Tony Edwards on bass, Frank Platt on drums and George Carroll on tenor. George was like Mr Toad. He would huff and puff. He was like a steam engine as a hissing noise would come out of it as if he was driven by steam. We did very well with the group. We played the Grafton and the Kingsland and the Tower Ballroom, New Brighton.

What strikes me as odd is that you made so few records under the name of Ross McManus, almost as though you didn't want hit singles. You recorded under all sorts of different names, for example, for the Embassy label. Was that deliberate or did it just happen that way?

Joe said that the Ross McManus name belonged to him. He would say, 'If you want to be a star, go off to the record company and be a star. If you want to work every night and get weekly wages for as long as you want, stay with me, but don't complain.
Don't hanker to be a solo star when I can give you regular employment.' My income was very good and people would ask me to do sessions and Joe would say, 'Let me handle the money. Don't take any money from them. You go in, sing it and come out. Don't talk to them, I'll do that.' Joe didn't want me to use the name of Ross MacManus because 'You have no contract with these things and if, by some remote chance, one of them should become a hit, you will have no control over it.' I did 'Can't Take My Eyes Off You' for Dick Rowe at Decca under my own name, but Ivor Raymonde arranged it in the wrong key so instead of being able to sing like a black rhythm and blues singer, I sounded like Rolf Harris. It was way too deep but Dick Rowe said, 'Nobody's interested in you as a vocalist. I've given you the best song in the world and you haven't done anything with it.' A year later Andy Williams had a tremendous hit with it, but Decca hadn't promoted my version at all.

You released a cover version of 'The Long and Winding Road' in 1970 under the name of Day Costello. How did that come about? When Elvis Costello started having hit records, he didn't give many interviews, so people didn't know his background. When did the public find out that you were his father?

The Joe Loss Band was the Establishment, and the music hacks always discounted everything we did. We were band singers as if this inhibited us from being able to do anything good. In fact we were better singers than the people that were in the groups, but they were younger. I said to Declan, 'Don't tell anybody that your dad sings with the Joe Loss Band because they'll discount what you're doing."' His manager, Jake Riviera, didn't want anything known about him, which was good marketing as he appeared as a mysterious, angry young man. One day the NME found a picture of Day Costello where I had long hair, beautifully cut, and they thought at first that it might be Declan. I said it was me and the cat was out of the bag then.

You must be very proud of your son's songwriting. There are so many songs and so many styles.

Well, he's written the works of Shakespeare, hasn't he? It's a big thick volume, heavy with words and significance and meaning. He's written classical things and he's always seeking to push himself on. When he first started, he couldn't read or write music, but now he can, he can write his own musical scores for orchestras. It's a very strange feeling because I have a feeling that fairies stole my little boy, Declan MacManus and brought me this genius in his place. He's not really my son. When I'm at the Albert Hall, I'm looking down and thinking, 'I don't believe this. That's him, isn't it?' I tend to do the gig with him, 'Oh, I wouldn't do that at that point. What he should do now is...' And so on. I can't help myself.
It also strikes me that his voice has changed so much over the years. It is used to be angry and defiant, but now he can sing very sophisticatedly with Burt Bacharach.
He's a good singer. He has a terrific range. His voice is edgy sometimes but that's just him, that's his tone. I've just got the collected Billy Eckstine and you can criticize him for the wobbly vibrato and the swooping tones, but that's him. It's idiosyncratic, it's the way they sing.

Do you have a particular favourite record of his?

Yes, I love 'The Birds Will Still be Singing' from 'The Juliet Letters'. I'd like that to be my epitaph.

Source: www.bbc.co.uk
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 08:09 am
Gee- that's nice.

I was going to tell the tale of last night in the pub when Vic, my best mate, let it slip that he had once "been with" a prostitute off Piccadilly in Manchester and my trying to tease the details of the event out of him. He didn't sleep with her because he was on early **** and she was on the late one. I had to drag them out of him with leading questions. (I'm using the word "prostitute" in the legal exactitudes).

But after that sublime depiction of the human condition it would be a lapse of taste for me to highlight its more degrading aspects.

I have often felt it to be a gap in my education that I have never picked up a prostitute from the streets. I think I was frightened. Those movies they showed us when I was a startled recruit might be the cause. But it might be lack of nerve.

He did say that she was very expensive at £2 which worked out at a quid a second. "Those all-night $1,000 whores are cheap by the side of that", I wittily responded, and Bernie, who lives solely on meat-and-potatoe pies and cakes with Horlicks for supper, (I know- I've warned him), started working it out. He stopped at £3.600 an hour. "You were shafted Vic", he said.

She had green knickers and a suspender belt with the dangling thingies not holding any stockings up because she wore none. That had us hopping about imitating somebody sharpening a stick fast.

And she had a baby in the next room which she had to see to first.

I started to pretend to play the violin. "Vic", I said, "they only do that in movies when they want to get the audience crying".

I sometimes feel pangs of remorse at how low I have sunk but such dark clouds are banished from view when I read the uplifting (see Senator Obama) story Mac has brightened my day with.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 11:49 am
Da rararararara
Ra dadadadadada
Da dada rararara
Scotland the Brave.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 01:10 pm
What is this about, McT, the English town of Berwick upon Tweed wanting to be part of Scotland?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:08 pm
It's got cobwebs on it has that story. It's part of the entertainment industry.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 05:32 pm
Francis wrote:
What is this about, McT, the English town of Berwick upon Tweed wanting to be part of Scotland?


Since devolution (devolved national parliament with limited powers) Scotland has voted its people some benefits notably in health care and education, and the sensible burghers of Berwick know a good deal when they see one.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 06:37 pm
By "sensible burghers" Mac means the 51% who will be 4p a year better off amalgamating with Scotland assuming they have their calculations right.

Given how thick they are that is not an assupmtion to be taken for granted.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 06:54 pm
Quote:
The town has changed hands between the two nations at least 13 times.


Perhaps the 51%, of what I heard was a very low turn out in electoral terms, is superstitious about the number 13.

Whatever- you can rest assured that it won't happen and it is nothing more than a adjunct of the light-entertainment industry.

So you can discuss the matter at great length without disturbing the natural order of things.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 8 Mar, 2008 07:24 pm
Are Brit thread meets not interested in Vic's exploits in Piccadilly?

Count me out.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 02:28 am
spendius wrote:
Are Brit thread meets not interested in Vic's exploits in Piccadilly?

Count me out.


What the hell's this about, Spendy?

Secondly...

A satisfactory day's sport yesterday: tremendous result at Barnsley, how amazing was that, ManU lost in controversial circumstances which makes it all the better, Fergie threw away his chewing gum in disgust spreading delight and glee throughout the nation, Scotland won in the Edinburgh mud to lift the Calcutta Cup yet again but then damn, City lost at Reading just to spoil a perfect day.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 06:13 am
Mac wrote-

Quote:
What the hell's this about, Spendy?


Are you serious?
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 12:09 pm
Yes.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 01:19 pm
Mac-

Did you not read my post about my pub conversation with Old Vic.

It was self explanatory I thought.

It related to the difference between hagiography and real life.

And A2K meetings where real life doesn't enter.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 01:29 pm
spendius wrote:
I have often felt it to be a gap in my education that I have never picked up a prostitute from the streets.


That's not the only thing you never picked up, spendi. Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 01:36 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
spendius wrote:
I have often felt it to be a gap in my education that I have never picked up a prostitute from the streets.


That's not the only thing you never picked up, spendi. Laughing


Well, otherwise he couldn't hope to get mentioned in a book of legend lifes of saints Laughing
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 01:56 pm
You guys are bad. Spendi was saying that the hagiography was about "real life". Twisted Evil
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 01:59 pm
Francis wrote:
You guys are bad.


Agreed.
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