THE BRITISH THREAD II

I was bedside when my wife had our second child, I also helped deliver a baby some years after that (it was an emergency and I was the only availble help) there was not a lot to it.


Are you trying to say women make a big deal out of nothing at all in general Spendi?

I wouldn't put it quite like that. Some women definitely do. But it is a natural process and some women will have trouble with it.

We should seek to minimise that number and not maximise it by raising nervous tension around childbirth as your lady "doctor" seems to me to have done. Not that it mattered in the context but you changed that by reporting it.

It is a very tempting subject for writers because it is easy to write about and interests young ladies who may well have trepidation about the matter after reading such things.

It is a big deal though but not in that way.

A big deal? Going to Lancashire from your place in Yorkshire would be a big deal mate!

I rather think having a baby is one of the most important things any woman fortunate enough to have a child would ever encounter.

As a father it's a brilliant feeling when your children are born.

Both of my daughters have children, five boys between them, I was right worried when they went into hospital for delivery, I used to take them to the clinics prior to them getting into the ninth month. It was interesting too. The anti-natal clinic I think they called it. They had to do breathing exercises and had little books given them to read regarding new babies. They never took so much care and interest when my wife was pregnant.
We are very fortunate in the Western World to have such good facilities, in the UK we have the added benefits of The National Health system too. It costs a great deal of money to have a baby delivered in the USA I understand. In third world countries it's touch and go, infant mortality rates are quite horrendous.

Don't you think we should spend some of the money we use for bombing other countries on third world countries to giving them decent medical care?

Mind if I borrow that last sentence for my signature line? Attributed, of course.

I don't mind in the least Mac, you can use it with pleasure mate.

I wouldn't if I was you Mac. I can trash it. It's a load of sentimental, feelgood, bullshit.

Chizmite

You can't trash anything with sense Spendi, your an oink, had you forgotten?

Mac quoted-



I have heard girls in primary schools express a similar over-simplification to that presumably to allow themselves to momentarily bask in the rosy glow of virtue and concern.

One has to wonder what "some" means and what "decent medical care" comprises. We can leave out what "money" is in this context until after we have learned how to do joined up writing or have read a few Grauniad editorials.

Sometime the best ideas can be very simply expressed, Spendy.

Presumably that is why your posts are so convoluted.

Mac wrote-



You should have no trouble defining "some" and "decent medical care" in that case.

I'm not going to differ with you regarding the vast donations made to third world countries Spendi, the gangsters at the top of the trees share out the booty and buy private jets, flash cars and more weapons.

It's the ridiculous donations made to the leaders that irk me when it doesn't go to the poor souls it's meant for.

We need to spend the money in building better homes and hospitals for them (assuming we are going to stop bombing other countries) even employing our own people to this effect. You need to get about mate instead of lounging on your sofa making farting noises from both outlets.
There are far too many injustices in this world and its high time something was done about it on a global level. If you have any humanitarian concerns and feelings you would understand the basic needs of others. All too often donations are made to charitable causes and the so called running costs 'eat up the same.' It's having a bite of the cherry in effect before it's passed onto the gangsters. The real people in need are lucky if they end up with the stone to plant. We have all seen the failures of donations, 'Live Aid' being a prime example; it got Bob Geldorf a knighthood but little if any benefit went to those poor souls in Africa. I wouldn't mind betting that a tenth of what Mr Bush has spent on the war in Iraq would have rebuilt St. Louis and surrounding areas. Thats not to mention the number of lives lost for a worthless enterprise and the additional hate building it's creating.

I don't presently have the time to get in real discussion with you, I just popped in for a cup of tea and a quick nibble, and I'll be watching Man U in their European quest this evening. I might get chance of a break over the holiday period, and we we can get into it good style. It's handy just filling a kettle out of the tap and making a brew in under three minutes, I've seen people lighting fires from bits of grass and dried wood to boil river water to accomplish the same feat. They don't have tea bags or loose tea either, maybe they add a bit of ginger to the water or some other plant specific to quench their thirst, or they simply scoop up a coconut shell of river water and drink it neat, not aware of the bacteria which is slowly poisoning them from various animal and human excrement further up-stream.

Have a nice day!

I haven't a clue what that load of complacent mush is supposed to mean other than it might serve to cause some simple souls to admire Mathos's humanity and generosity. There isn't the faintest trace of any practical how to do.

It just makes it seem as if Mathos is doing something when in actual fact he's doing nothing and using the underprivileged patronisingly as a sound bite opportunity. Those European nurses and doctors working in African refugee camps are doing something and actually making some sacrifices. And they don't spout about it either. You have only just "popped in for a cup of tea and a quick nibble" and to try to outdo them with a few not very well chosen words to help pass the time whilst you're slurping and masticating.

Turn it up mate. It's pathetic. Get yourself elected. You haven't the time to lead that self indulgent lifestyle of yours and get all saintly on us as if we are all greedy grasping capitalist bastards in need of a lesson whilst billions of people are without "decent medical care" as purveyed by BUPA.

Oink! Oink!

Liberalisation for oinks like you is a mental dis-order. I enjoy it when you get ideas of grandeur and self righteousness, it makes you look an even bigger sap, than you already are. It's a very sad reflection on poor education and gullibility.

Never mind though, its far too late to change you now.

A few years back according to the Thai-Burmese Consortium annual report the total cost of keeping a refugee in a camp was 4,600 Baht per anum. A thousand Baht roughly equates to £15..00 (GBP)

Some years back I met Doctor Cynthia Maung in a Thai border town. She originates from the Burmese side of the border. She wanted Democracy for her country and as her demonstration activities were outlawed by the military Junta she is now a refugee herself and on an unwritten hit list

She escaped to Mae Sot and set up a clinic, as a refuge for escapees, (Thailand has been and still is good towards the Burmese in general who seek refuge in their country, not perfect, but good), the clinic grew quite big, donations from several people helped her save many, many lives.

The clinic soon covered an area as large as perhaps three rugby fields. It looks after wounded Karen, land-mine victims, abandoned and orphaned children, older people, opium and other drug addicts.

Malaria has a devastating effect in Burma, Medicines Sas Frontiers claim it to be the countries biggest killer, with regards to illness's. UNICEF reports that as many as one million Burmese children are malnourished.

I have seen children in states I wouldn't expect to see a dog in the occidental world. Children with missing limbs, and wooden replacements if they are lucky, TB is common, like AIDS. The UN and others have funds to assist in times of war and natural disasters, consequently little appears to be done in the concepts I have mentioned.

You my ignorant over-read chump ranting on about Doctor's and Nurses like your aware of the situation, have no idea. No idea at all!

I have, and consequently have to be very careful as to what I print, it could cost lives. Albeit, your un-aware of your own insignificance in the overall situation regarding border life, in places like Mae Sot, Mae Sai or Mae Sarian and others.

The average person in Burma has no or very little scientific medicine or medics, they rely on traditional means. It is horrendous!

Eating monkey brains is suggested as a good cure for lunacy, perhaps you should give it a try Spendi.

There are back pack medics perhaps a couple of hundred, many or mainly being women ages range from early 20's to senior citizen status.

Burma is a long way from Yorkshire, you won't die from malaria, TB, dengue fever, HIV. You won't be beaten to death, have your home and crops burned.

Never mind your books, bull-**** and inconsistent rantings, visit Mae Sot, have a coffee on Prasawithi, see real life, see Chinese, Indians, Thais, Burmese, Bangladeshis, Nepalese and occidentals haggling. Don't even ask me what for, I daren't tell you. See the beggars, the mercenaries from our sid of the world included, have a rant there Spendi, they'd blow your head off and carry on doing their deals.

I'm restricted in what I could say, Thailand has been good to me over a twenty year period, it's been good to the refugees and people like Doc Cynthia, not perfect, but good.

There are so many there now that Tesco-Lotus have opened a big store, I was in there a few times, a few weeks back with my wife, buying things it was very cheap too.

Maybe, one day those poor displaced souls will be able to have a life like we do. I would give my right arm, here and now if that would solve it.

Oink, oink .................Jerk.

I'm going to watch a football game on TV now.

Well, the Italians aren't bad at all and the Spaniards do even better.

Mathos wrote-



An idle boast. Nobody is going to ask you to because nobody would ever think it would change a thing. One would suppose millions would give their right arm if it would "solve" it.

Nothing will solve it except a long, slow dragged out lumbering in the right direction which will take a hundred years with luck to hope to half solve it and we are not engaged in the process except at an election. That's the only place you can make a contribution.

Right gobby oink, your understanding, so keep your comments on the activities to yourself if you haven't seen it for yourself!


Those Italian Police were an absolute disgrace last night the way they criminally assaulted Manchester United fans with their fancy batons and riot gear on! I wonder if they would try and act so tough on a one to one with the lads?

Un-necessary actions like that lead to retribution if not correctly addressed, I trust The Foreign Secretary will be demanding an apology and that Italy fires out the baton wielding fools before Roma come to Old Trafford.

There are some nice decent Italians in Britain, restaurant owners especially, they have families and contribute well to our society, I'd hate to think our street lads would be closing them down with self appointed legislation.

Shame on you thugs in uniform.

Hmm, they really didn't do that well, ManU, I mean :wink:

(Anything against Spanish huests' bad behaviour, Matthos?)

They probably deserved it.

Hi Dorothy, nice to see you!



Hi Walter,

I thought the game was ok for ten men against 12, the referee being a disgrace in some his decisions and lack of decisions. Paul Scholes, earned the sending off, I'm not grouching at that. We have the advantage of the away goal at present consequently we only need to win 1-0 at Old Trafford to go through.

All in all considering the circumstances we did alright on the night.