fresco wrote:Chumly,
No...if you were the last you would already have a concept of "self" via language. If you were the first then the concept holds.
Coberst,
Its a pity you don't seem to contribute to well established threads on "social reality" instead of trying to start threads from a pedantic basis as though you were introducing something new.
I learned all I know about these matters from Becker's book. This is all new stuff to me. I was educated as an electronics engineer and later studied philosophy. Becker goes on to say:
A container schema is a gestalt (a functional unit) figure with an interior, an exterior, and a boundary?-the parts make sense only as part of the whole. Container schemas are cross-modal?-"we can impose a conceptual container schema on a visual scene
on something we hear, as when we conceptually separate out one part of a piece of music from another
This structure is topological in the sense that the boundary can be made larger, smaller, or distorted and still remain the boundary of a container schema."
We have discovered that the child becomes conscious of the ?'self as an acting agent' in a symbolic world from the outside-in. The child discovers the ever present container schema early in life. The child learns the full significance of its acts from the world outside the container which is the self. From the consciousness of these knowledge fragments results coalescence, this coalescence is "mind". This self-reflexivity makes possible a depth of experience at the cost of losing our animal directness. The child's first identity is as an object, a social product.
There develops here a real dualism?-the first identity is largely symbolic whereas the child's first experiences of its powers are organic. Energetic movement gained through excitement and perception provides another sense of self. "He registers self-experience mostly when his own executive actions have been blocked: it is then that he has to ?'take the role of the other' to see what his act "means". The more blockage, the more the sense of the self is symbolic
If the child has been allowed to gain an "organismic identity" by relatively free actions and self-controlled manipulation of his world, he has more strength and resilience toward the vagaries of social symbol systems."