Party on Wayne: a headbanger holiday

YOU ROCK, DYS! Neil wailed, man.

Actually, I like Neil just fine. It is hard to find music that I don't like.

Thanks, Shapless!

To you guys who know your metal -- What do you think of what Tico had to say about little kids listening to metal? I've looked around at some of the studies - mostly with adolecents - and found an equal number confirming and rebutting his comments.

We have never really had kid music around here. Mo seems to like it at school okay but doesn't show much interest in hearing it at home.

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You know Boomer, I always thought of Neil as the ultimate lounge lizard til I watched "the Last Waltz" and realized what a significant effect he had on such people as The Band-Dylan-et al. Changed my attitude.

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boomerang wrote:

To you guys who know your metal -- What do you think of what Tico had to say about little kids listening to metal? I've looked around at some of the studies - mostly with adolecents - and found an equal number confirming and rebutting his comments.

I'm not a parent, but I think it's all how the upbringing is.

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My daughter listened to Jazz when she was around 5 and 6 years old,
luckily she never got into the Britney Spears and Hillary Duffs. From
Jazz she went right over to Black Eyed Peas, 50 Cent, and what not.
She also liked Ray Charles, the Beatles and Elvis.

Now being 11 years old, she listens to Lincoln Park and Nickleback -
she's not interested in the lyrics, just the rhythm and her dance moves.

I do monitor her music though - mostly because I burn the CD's for
her.

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CalamityJane wrote:

I do monitor her music though - mostly because I burn the CD's for her.

I think that's the key at Mo's age.

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Kids don't pay attention to lyrics unless they're adolescent boys and then anything with dick or butt or sophmoric sexual references send them into peels of laughter and non stop hilarity. That will never change.

When I dj school dances an intereesting thing occurs. I can play r&b or smooth ballads that are nothing but variatons on "I wanna lay you down and lick you all over baby" and the teachers and parents have no problem with it. However, the instant I play a hard rock, metal or hip hop/rap tune, even though it is no more and many cases less lyrically explicit, these same teachers and parents become agitated and indignant and here's the reason why.......

The harder music does not make a pleasing song to their ears!!! That's it. Well screw them, the dances aren't for them and neither is the music, just like it was at their school dances 25 years before. Parents on the whole pay very little attention to what their kids are listening to, even the parents who cluck and give lip service to their concern about how music is corrupting their children.

As long as it's not a steady stream of invective let them listen to their music. Look how well we all turned out. :wink:

Your Mo is reacting to the aggressive beat and loudness of the metal. It's cathartic. Get Mo some Priest.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Kids don't pay attention to lyrics unless they're adolescent boys and then anything with dick or butt or sophmoric sexual references send them into peels of laughter and non stop hilarity. That will never change.

I have a 6 year old son, BPB. Trust me, he pays attention to the lyrics on songs he hears. He sings the lyrics back to me. Every song. Pink Floyd ... he sings back to me. The crap hip hop my wife listens to ... he sings the words.

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Yes of course, it could be worse, at a young age I listened to Homer and Jethro and Spike Jones. It's no wonder I'm a social deviant.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Kids don't pay attention to lyrics unless they're adolescent boys and then anything with dick or butt or sophmoric sexual references send them into peels of laughter and non stop hilarity. That will never change.

I have a 6 year old son, BPB. Trust me, he pays attention to the lyrics on songs he hears. He sings the lyrics back to me. Every song. Pink Floyd ... he sings back to me. The crap hip hop my wife listens to ... he sings the words.

but he probalby doesn't know what they mean.... so don't explain them to him. I have 5 children and they by now listen to pretty much what they want although I monitored them when they were younger....and they're turning out okay.

What makes me chuckle is when some parent comes to me to complain about the music I'm playing and can't make the connection that they're with me 6 hours a year and at home 24 hours a day and yet somehow it's my fault that these kids know this nasty music. Laughing

and btw boom, that music is not heavy metal or hard rock. it's almost exclusively what they hear on Top 40 radio.... in the car..... on the way to school..... with their concerned parents :wink:
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The first "concert" I attended was Marty Robbins and Roy Orbison. Both very powerful stage presentation.

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One of my favoirte memories of my 30 year old neice was from when she was about 6. My sis and I were going somewhere and wee girl was strapped into her booster seat in the back. Suddenly we hear:

"We don't need no education....
We don't need no thought control...."

We totally cracked up.

Perhaps we have just not listened to one single song enough for Mo to learn the lyrics to any of them.

I think you're right, Bear, that it is the beat and the loudness that Mo is responding to. I don't know enough about it to make an evaluaton on the quality of the music but I think technically the musicians are good -- at least they played instruments, unlike so many of today's acts. Their popularity wasn't based on their beauty. That alone says something to me about their technical skills.

I don't intend to feed him a steady diet of any one kind of music but this is the first music that he has claimed as his own without me ever having played any of it.

That's the reason I asked the question about how to get to the good stuff and not mess with the other. I really just don't know anything about it but I'm not "against" it.

I suppose the only way to really learn is to buy some and give it a listen.

Maybe in the future Mo will rebel with Simon and Garfunkle and James Taylor and I'll scratch my head over how to explain all of those drug references.....

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country music... the same people who are shocked and dismayed about their kids listening to "Smack That Ass" ride down the road in their pickup trucks blasting "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" very uplifting and mature, a good example for the youngsters. Laughing

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Kids don't pay attention to lyrics unless they're adolescent boys and then anything with dick or butt or sophmoric sexual references send them into peels of laughter and non stop hilarity. That will never change.

I have a 6 year old son, BPB. Trust me, he pays attention to the lyrics on songs he hears. He sings the lyrics back to me. Every song. Pink Floyd ... he sings back to me. The crap hip hop my wife listens to ... he sings the words.

but he probalby doesn't know what they mean.... so don't explain them to him. I have 5 children and they by now listen to pretty much what they want although I monitored them when they were younger....and they're turning out okay.

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Yeah, I agree. At that age they recite the words, but don't get the subtle innuendo. I don't have an issue with those songs. But the explicit lyrics at that age, where there is no subtle, hidden meaning, that's really what I'm pointing out.

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boomerang wrote:

One of my favoirte memories of my 30 year old neice was from when she was about 6. My sis and I were going somewhere and wee girl was strapped into her booster seat in the back. Suddenly we hear:

"We don't need no education....
We don't need no thought control...."

We totally cracked up.

Same thing here. I cringed ... but cracked up. That remains my 9 year old's favorite Floyd song ... go figure. Laughing

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How many rock songs feature kids' voices?

I remember belting that one out as a kid, too. I think it was a staple on the bus ride to and from school.

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boomerang wrote:

I think you're right, Bear, that it is the beat and the loudness that Mo is responding to. I don't know enough about it to make an evaluaton on the quality of the music but I think technically the musicians are good -- at least they played instruments, unlike so many of today's acts.

It's funny that Tico mentioned Metallica's "Am I Evil?" because that was one of the songs that got me into heavy metal, and my experience was similar: I was entranced by Kirk Hammett's guitar solo and was only secondarily aware of the words. Granted, I was old enough to know that the lyrics were subversive, but I also knew I wasn't obliged to take them all that seriously. I paid attention to the words--and to Kill 'Em All's provocative but, in retrospect, silly and cliché album cover--only to the extent that it made the music "exciting" to listen to. Even back then, I think I realized without really articulating it that Metallica was basically like Tim Burton... dark, macabre, but basically harmless. What I cared about was the way they played.

On the other hand, Aerosmith... now there's a band that made me think maybe my parents wouldn't want me listening to this stuff. Very Happy

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Oh yea, Aerosmith...get the Greatest Hits from the 70's. Awesome cd.

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Aerosmith is not metal... they rock though.... and sing a lot of songs about pussy.

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I think she should get some Queen.

Freddy Mercury was so talented.
I don't remember anything lewder than Fat Bottem Girls.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Aerosmith is not metal... they rock though.... and sing a lot of songs about pussy.

Not metal, but great album.

Oh and did I mention....LED ZEPPELIN?

I like them like Bear likes Priest.

You know...I never owned a Judas Priest album. I should grab one.

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