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PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF GOD TO THE ATHEIST....Islamic View

 
 
Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 04:43 am
.......An Atheist is someone who doesn't believe in the Existence of God...

My first question to the atheist will be:

"What is the definition of God?"

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dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 05:05 am
the link goes to- www.islam101.com/tauheed/provingGodExists.htm
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 07:14 am
God- -personal, impersonal- -same hokum. For a God to be impersonal, it would still be defined as personal if it has a grand design, of which we would be a part. In short, impersonal god would actually be personal anyway.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Sun 17 Dec, 2006 09:42 pm
An atheist does not have to say anything. It is the theists lot to prove that their god/gods exist.
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Abid
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 10:06 am
God doesn't need us, however it is us that are in need of Him.

Similarly people with faith have nothing to prove to you as it is only God that can guide you, it is up to you to read the signs
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 06:12 pm
It's absurd really that they deny the existence of their Creator.

"Does man think that he will be left uncontrolled, without purpose?
Was he not a drop of sperm emitted in lowly form?
Then he became a leech-like clot; then Allah made and fashioned him in due proportion. And of him He made two sexes, male and female.
Has not He, the same, the power to give life to the dead?"
(Al-Qiyama, 36-40)

May Allah guide you from your darkness.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 06:17 pm
Abid wrote:

Similarly people with faith have nothing to prove to you as it is only God that can guide you,


If this is true why are you and your brethren arguing so vehemently against the atheists on this thread? Don't you think Allah can manage the job of conversion on his own?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 06:31 pm
Jeez. You guys (religious) started it.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 06:31 pm
hingehead wrote:
Abid wrote:

Similarly people with faith have nothing to prove to you as it is only God that can guide you,


If this is true why are you and your brethren arguing so vehemently against the atheists on this thread? Don't you think Allah can manage the job of conversion on his own?


True. He can let wonder on throughout your life denying His existence untill He takes your life away and then punish's you Eternally. People do not guide people, Allah does. That is why some people are stubborn even when you show them evidence they merely laugh it off, others are more intrigued and interested. Thus all we can do is try to help you out.

As Muslims, we are supposed to try to guide people as we have been very fortunate to have been guided into the path of submission to Allah (Islam). Thus it is our duty to spread the message and warn people of the Fateful Day when everyone who ever walked on this Earth will be held accountable for their actions. Even as Muslims we are not gauranteed automatic Paradise. Paradise comes out good works, faith and patience.

I'll end with the following verse-

Respond to your Lord before a Day comes from God which cannot be turned back. On that Day you will have no hiding-place and no means of denial. (Surat ash-Shura: 49)
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 06:40 pm
Raul-7 wrote:


True. He can let wonder on throughout your life denying His existence untill He takes your life away and then punish's you Eternally.


Sounds like a lovey guy. You can keep him.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 06:43 pm
Raul-7 wrote:


As Muslims, we are supposed to try to guide people as we have been very fortunate to have been guided into the path of submission to Allah (Islam). Thus it is our duty to spread the message and warn people of the Fateful Day when everyone who ever walked on this Earth will be held accountable for their actions. Even as Muslims we are not gauranteed automatic Paradise. Paradise comes out good works, faith and patience.



That's precisely why it's up to you to show me the proof of this extraordinary claim, not the other way around. You've got a difficult product to sell, but instead you treat me as an evil blasphemer, as though your failure to prove your claim is my fault !?
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 08:28 pm
Eorl wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:


As Muslims, we are supposed to try to guide people as we have been very fortunate to have been guided into the path of submission to Allah (Islam). Thus it is our duty to spread the message and warn people of the Fateful Day when everyone who ever walked on this Earth will be held accountable for their actions. Even as Muslims we are not gauranteed automatic Paradise. Paradise comes out good works, faith and patience.



That's precisely why it's up to you to show me the proof of this extraordinary claim, not the other way around. You've got a difficult product to sell, but instead you treat me as an evil blasphemer, as though your failure to prove your claim is my fault !?


Then when I show you clear signs you mock them as always? Right?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 08:30 pm
Raul-7 wrote:


Then when I show you clear signs you mock them as always? Right?


One man's proof is another man's delusion. Cuts both ways.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 19 Dec, 2006 12:30 am
Raul-7 wrote:
Eorl wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:


As Muslims, we are supposed to try to guide people as we have been very fortunate to have been guided into the path of submission to Allah (Islam). Thus it is our duty to spread the message and warn people of the Fateful Day when everyone who ever walked on this Earth will be held accountable for their actions. Even as Muslims we are not gauranteed automatic Paradise. Paradise comes out good works, faith and patience.



That's precisely why it's up to you to show me the proof of this extraordinary claim, not the other way around. You've got a difficult product to sell, but instead you treat me as an evil blasphemer, as though your failure to prove your claim is my fault !?


Then when I show you clear signs you mock them as always? Right?


What "clear signs"? Not one shread of evidence has EVER demonstrated the likelyhood that ANY gods have EVER existed. The sum total of definitive evidence for all the various gods ever proposed by men is ZERO.

Simpleminded delusions will indeed be mocked, threats of death or eternal damnation will be treated even less kindly. "Clear signs" will treated with the utmost respect.

(You have, of course, avoided the fact that your failure is your fault.)
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 19 Dec, 2006 07:01 am
Nothing to add. Eorl and Hingehead have stated it well.
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Abid
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 12:08 pm
Eorl wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:
Eorl wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:


As Muslims, we are supposed to try to guide people as we have been very fortunate to have been guided into the path of submission to Allah (Islam). Thus it is our duty to spread the message and warn people of the Fateful Day when everyone who ever walked on this Earth will be held accountable for their actions. Even as Muslims we are not gauranteed automatic Paradise. Paradise comes out good works, faith and patience.



That's precisely why it's up to you to show me the proof of this extraordinary claim, not the other way around. You've got a difficult product to sell, but instead you treat me as an evil blasphemer, as though your failure to prove your claim is my fault !?


Then when I show you clear signs you mock them as always? Right?


What "clear signs"? Not one shread of evidence has EVER demonstrated the likelyhood that ANY gods have EVER existed. The sum total of definitive evidence for all the various gods ever proposed by men is ZERO.

Simpleminded delusions will indeed be mocked, threats of death or eternal damnation will be treated even less kindly. "Clear signs" will treated with the utmost respect.

(You have, of course, avoided the fact that your failure is your fault.)


Is not the creation of the universe enough of a sign for you?

Did you create yourself?
Were you created from nothing?
Or were you created by something?
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 10:57 pm
Did you yourself bring down rain from the Heavens to water your crops and drink from? Or has it not been sent down?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 05:41 am
Is not life a Mickey Mouse cartoon, with Disney sending in all the moves from above? It could be so much more, if they let Mel Brooks into the studio.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 07:38 am
Allah sounds just like jesus christ.

Rolling Eyes
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djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 07:54 am
Abid wrote:
God doesn't need us, however it is us that are in need of Him.


hmm, god always seemed a bit of a glory hound to me, worship me, don't look at those other gods, i'm the one, i'm the way, i'm the light

it's all about me, me, me

what happens to celebrities when nobody buys there music, movies, whatever, they fade from view and eventually disappear

i think this god guy needs us more than we need him

i suppose if we all ignored him, he could pull another of his tantrums and destroy things again, now there's a mature reaction to things
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