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graphics in a novel?

 
 
Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 07:05 pm
I'm going to ask a question in a slightly roundabout way. I'm writing a first novel and without getting into a long, drawn out explanation of the plot and various relationships and conflicts, I'd like to ask your opinion regarding the incorporation of one or two (no more) graphics into the final manuscript?

To make things a simple as possible, let's use a well known example as a stand in for my convoluted story. Just consider that I am writing the world's first pirate novel, complete with a search for buried treasure. Of course, much of the plot revolves around the all-important map to the treasure. If this wasn't such a hackneyed concept, and you were the author, would you consider trying to incorporate a single high quality image into your manuscript? Would publishers laugh or seriously consider it?

Once you get past the children's books, I can't think of a single book (fiction) I've read that included any sort of graphics. Is it worth trying to convince a publisher to at least consider it? (I really believe that the reader would find it a big plus toward enjoying the story)

But what do YOU think?
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aidan
 
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Reply Wed 13 Dec, 2006 11:08 pm
dedmedved- I read a novel earlier this year that included graphics. Its narrator was a boy who had autism, who drew maps and pictures to help explain the text, which consisted of explanations of his daily routine,etc.

I thought they were an asset to the story as they added to the authenticity of this boy's particular state of mind. I thought they also added to the humor.

One of my favorite parts of the book in fact had to do with the fact that this boy had trouble "reading" peoples' faces. He used his own little smiley faces to illustrate it - but I'll use emoticons. He said, "I can understand what it means when peoples' faces look like this: Laughing and I can understand what it means when people's faces look like this: Sad , or this: Mad - but I don't understand what this means: Confused , so I asked my teacher Siobhan. She told me not to worry about it, because she could never understand what Confused meant either."

It sounds like a map would fit in with your general theme. I know I always appreciate having a sense of place set or described as thoroughly as possible when I'm reading a novel.
I have no idea about how that would affect marketing or sales though.

*Sorry - I just reread your post and realized that the pirate map was ony hypothetical. I guess I would say, if your graphic enhanced the story and its insertion fit the personality characteristics of your narrator - in other words if there was a compelling reason that helped propel the story or cement a theme, I think it might work.
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dedmedved
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2006 09:56 am
novel graphic / sketch - an explanation...
Just to clarify things, (and to make it clear that I'm not stealing the plot of "Pirates of the Caribbean"...) I'm writing a fairly conventional murder/mystery from the assassin's viewpoint.

The murder is accomplished by a long range rifle shot, and my research took me into the unique world of the military sniper. Not surprisingly, former military (and also law enforcement) snipers have many websites where they hang out, talk shop and discuss equipment, tactics, etc. (needless to say, there are probably 10 'wannabes' for every real sniper on these forums, but the real guys ARE out there)

And it was on these sniper websites that I learned of an interesting type of diagram known by several names, but commonly referred to as a 'range card.' We're all familiar with the sketch police develop of a crime scene - put together after the fact based on whatever evidence they have assembled. The sniper range card could be considered a crime scene sketch made PRIOR to the crime. Instead of including evidence found after the murder, the range card is developed utilizing all of the information the sniper has on hand to help him plan and execute his shot. Distance from the shooter to the target, any change in elevation, wind speed and direction, temperature, direction of sunlight, even humidity and barometric pressure. All of these factors are used by the sniper to help him aim his rifle properly. After the shot is taken, the last bit of information is added to the range card: point of impact as compared to point of aim. This card then goes into his range card notebook for reference when planning future shots.

[ I just realized this is all very confusing unless you have one bit of background information. Long distance shooters do not aim their rifle at the spot they intend to hit. If you aimed a rifle at a person's nose from 500yds away, the bullet would probably hit him in the knee. Bullets start falling toward the earth the second they leave the barrel, and long distance shooters need to account for gravity, wind, and many other factors. A typical rifle bullet might fall as much as four to six FEET when fired at a target 500 yards away. So a shot intended for someone's nose is actually aimed at a spot several feet above the target's head! And no, I did not know this until last year...]
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2006 04:41 pm
I'd never heard of a range card, but now that I know they exist I'd like to see one.

Realism has layers.
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Heeven
 
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Reply Thu 14 Dec, 2006 04:59 pm
I am a fan of using my imagination so I have to say I hated graphics in a book I read a while back.

It was called "I've had brain surgery, what's your excuse?" by Suzy Becker.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0761124780.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

I am not sure if the stupid drawings (to emphasise points and it was an Illustrated Memoir after all!) annoyed me in their own right or if I just wasn't all that impressed with the authors writing style. While the story was unusual and she was somewhat amusing, it didn't blow my skirt up and the illustrations got on my nerves.

I do prefer, when reading a book, to read descriptions and explanations (even if they are long) so that I can use my imagination to picture or try to understand the workings of a situation. It can be an expert explaining the range card to a new shooter or a detective investigating it and explaining it back to his partner or boss. I much prefer learning about things in that way, rather than seeing a picture (in a novel) because I become lazy if it's made to easy and tend to skim over stuff like that as if it is unimportant. I remember having to re-read several pages during the above book because my eyes would see the pictures, sort of sweep the page, read the words, and not take it in. I'd have to go back and concentrate on what I just read and I think it was because the pictures distracted me.

Now if it was anything other than a novel, pictures and illustrations are helpful, but a novel to me means I use my imagination and picture things in my mind after reading a description, scenario, plot.
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readysetmets
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2007 06:06 pm
Lots of great works have used graphics
Think Dante's Inferno. Don Quixote. These are not children's books, they are MASTERPIECES.

In your case, Think of your story as a magazine, that plays out like a long feature article. You can find inspiration from magazines you like, or if there is sucha thing, pirate magazines.

Rrrrrrrr!!!
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2007 07:32 pm
Many authors have used graphics in their work.

Vonnegut comes to mind. I believe it was "Breakfast of Champions."

Those of you that have read the book will remember this one ...

_\|/_
_/|\

His rendition of a certain body part.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2007 08:13 pm
aidan wrote:
dedmedved- I read a novel earlier this year that included graphics. Its narrator was a boy who had autism, who drew maps and pictures to help explain the text, which consisted of explanations of his daily routine,etc.

I thought they were an asset to the story as they added to the authenticity of this boy's particular state of mind. I thought they also added to the humor.

One of my favorite parts of the book in fact had to do with the fact that this boy had trouble "reading" peoples' faces. He used his own little smiley faces to illustrate it - but I'll use emoticons. He said, "I can understand what it means when peoples' faces look like this: Laughing and I can understand what it means when people's faces look like this: Sad , or this: Mad - but I don't understand what this means: Confused , so I asked my teacher Siobhan. She told me not to worry about it, because she could never understand what Confused meant either."

It sounds like a map would fit in with your general theme. I know I always appreciate having a sense of place set or described as thoroughly as possible when I'm reading a novel.
I have no idea about how that would affect marketing or sales though.

*Sorry - I just reread your post and realized that the pirate map was ony hypothetical. I guess I would say, if your graphic enhanced the story and its insertion fit the personality characteristics of your narrator - in other words if there was a compelling reason that helped propel the story or cement a theme, I think it might work.


aidan, that was the funniest book I have read in quite some time.
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aidan
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2007 12:59 am
Yeah, I loved it. I read an excerpt of his new one, and wasn't as excited by it- although it sounds like another kind of convoluted and interesting plot. When my library gets it, I might give it a go. He (Mark Hammond) also writes poetry.

Another book that was heartbreaking, but managed to be laugh-out- loud funny at the same time is:
A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius by Dave Eggers
Quote:

Dave Eggers, the 29-year-old editor of the determinedly odd literary journal McSweeney's, has written a memoir that wreaks delirious havoc by turning the autobiographical genre on its head. As its flippant title makes riotously clear, A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius is fitted with a bullet-proof vest of self-mocking irony. Before the narrative proper even gets under way, we're treated to some 40 pages of satirical prefatory material, including the copyright page, which is itself loaded with jokes: "Published in the United States by Simon & Schuster, a division of a larger and more powerful company called Viacom Inc., which is wealthier and more populous than eighteen of the fifty states of America, all of Central America, and all of the former Soviet Republics combined and tripled." This kind of David Lettermanesque preemptive strike could easily have backfired if Eggers's memoir weren't in fact as damn good as it turns out to be. A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius is altogether a triumphant literary debut.
The laughter begins to stick in our throats when Eggers recounts the harrowing cancer death of his 51-year-old mother. He unflinchingly evokes the awful eternity of watching a dying parent's final days - "All words will be considered her last, until they are followed by others." Some readers will undoubtedly be offended by Eggers's irreverence, but the jokes are an honest expression of the fragile human impulse to seek humor in the things that we fear the most.


It's just funny-if you like sarcastic, ironic humor. No graphics though.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2007 09:05 am
I come across graphics in fiction all the time but I'll have to put my memory to the test to remember exactly which ones.

I did just finish reading "Special Topics in Calamity Physics" and it has several illustrations.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2007 09:29 am
A quick scan of the shelves --

Everything by James Thurber

"The Tale of Genji" (Shikibu)

"Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell" (Clark)

"House of Leaves" (Danielewski)

"Gould's Book of Fish" (Flanagan)

-- leads me to think that adding graphics would put you in good company!
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Tico
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2007 12:51 pm
I think that if used with discretion, graphics can be very helpful. Very serious histories often come with maps, for example. And although I can't think of any off the top of my head, I know that I've read a number of excellent novels that contained graphics. It can help the reader understand what the author is picturing, or negate the need for long exposition that may ruin the flow of the narrative.
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