Is Jesus God?

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OK, Well.

God allows us to be tested; but the test comes from his adversary:

"Simon, Simon, look! Satan has demanded to have YOU men to sift YOU as wheat." (Luke 22:31)

Don't waste your time brother. They will never see the light or the guidance, people have tried before and all they do is mock them. There is no use.

Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, (they) will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them. (Quran 2:6-7)

Raul-7 wrote:

Don't waste your time brother. They will never see the light or the guidance, people have tried before and all they do is mock them. There is no use.

Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, (they) will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them. (Quran 2:6-7)

Wait-a-minute....Allah has sealed my heart and hearing, so that I remain an atheist...and plans to punish me for it ?!?

To me, being punished after death is 100% better than the mere oblivion I expect, so if it turns out you are right.....I'm already in front !!!

Sadly, when you die, you'll just die. You won't even get to know that you wasted your entire life in a childish fantasy.

God goes not guide those who insist on doing wrong and have no faith.

Raul-7 wrote:

God goes not guide those who insist on doing wrong and have no faith.

Why not? You'd think it would help solve everything if he did. Is it some kind of cruel game this idiot god of yours is playing?




There is vast difference between "doing wrong" and "having no faith".

Why do you mention "doing wrong"? Do you assume I am "doing wrong"? What wrong are you accusing me of?

Anyways, the smalls signs of Judgement Day have already passed; amongst them is the increase of STD's as a punishment for those who chose to resort to fornication and adultery. Which we are currently facing, look at how many people suffer from AIDS and these new uncurable STD's.

One mistake in the quote function and it carries from post to post. . .

OK, Well.

God allows us to be tested; but the test comes from his adversary:

"Simon, Simon, look! Satan has demanded to have YOU men to sift YOU as wheat." (Luke 22:31)

Raul-7 wrote:

Don't waste your time brother. They will never see the light or the guidance, people have tried before and all they do is mock them. There is no use.

Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, (they) will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them. (Quran 2:6-7)

Wait-a-minute....Allah has sealed my heart and hearing, so that I remain an atheist...and plans to punish me for it ?!?

To me, being punished after death is 100% better than the mere oblivion I expect, so if it turns out you are right.....I'm already in front !!!

Sadly, when you die, you'll just die. You won't even get to know that you wasted your entire life in a childish fantasy.

Raul-7 wrote:

God goes not guide those who insist on doing wrong and have no faith.

Why not? You'd think it would help solve everything if he did.

There is vast difference between "doing wrong" and "having no faith".

Why do you mention "doing wrong"? Do you assume I am "doing wrong"? What wrong are you accusing me of?

Hah!! That statement pretty much proves to me that Islam and Christianity are near enough the same.
They both have a god who'll let babies starve and is happy to inflict a disease on his 'creation' as opposed to just coming down and telling us what s/he wants, s/he sends looneys down to odd parts of the world to have a chat. Doesn't god like the chinese? Or the South Africans and South Americans or Australian Aboriginals?
Fornication is a bad thing? How are we going to have babies? And last time I looked you can get AIDS without being an adulterer or a fornicator. This God person is hopeless with details.

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BACK TO THE QUESTION AT HAND THOUGH - IS JESUS (AS) GOD????

Is Jesus God?

Where is the proof?

Abid wrote:

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BACK TO THE QUESTION AT HAND THOUGH - IS JESUS (AS) GOD????

OK, indeed lets' return to the original question -

[url=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2420873#2420873]Abid[/url] wrote:

Is Jesus God?

Where is the proof?

The question itself proceeds from the illicit (illicit if for no other reason than that no such condition, thing, or state of being as the existence of any god or gods has been established) premise that there be a god or gods. For the sake of discussion, we may stipulate to the possibility of the existence of a god or gods. Now, establish - not merely claim, but ESTABLISH, objectively, logically, in forensically sound, academically valid manner (in most specific particular without resorting to the circularities of self-referential, self-claimed authority) - that the requisite condition, thing, or state of being in fact obtains.

Are you trying to be clever?

Setup a discussion board with the subject heading
"Is there a God" or direct me there and stop changing the nature of this subject.

The question is " IS JESUS GOD" not "IS THERE A GOD"

A respect that you may believe that the answer to one lies in the other, but hey some people actually have a belief in God - And it is to them that this question may be applicable if not suitable.

Abid wrote:

Are you trying to be clever?

Not at all - just being objective. You are being disingenuous.

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Setup a discussion board with the subject heading
"Is there a God" or direct me there and stop changing the nature of this subject.

There are many such discussions her in the Spirituality & Religion Forum - all unresolved.

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The question is " IS JESUS GOD" not "IS THERE A GOD"

A respect that you may believe that the answer to one lies in the other, but hey some people actually have a belief in God - And it is to them that this question may be applicable if not suitable.

The question you present proceeds from an assumption, is dependent upon a pre-existing condition or circumstance, a condition or circumstance not established. For your question to have any meaning whatsoever, the predicate assumption must be established, the terms defined. Your preferences in this matter are immaterial if the discussion is to be anything other than an excercize in sophistry, an exploration of fantasy.

Now, note that I do not say categorically that your religion - or any other religion - is "WRONG" per se, I observe only that no valid, nor even compelling, argument for the primacy and/or validity of any religious concept or construct to this point in this discussion, or in any related discussion on these boards, has been presented. Leaving aside for the moment any question of validity, I will note that many powerful, well-constructed, compelling arguments for various religious points of view do exist (and in fact I have referenced several, and their authors, in other discussions here) - but nothing of the sort has been presented on these boards by any proponent of religionist philosophy.

The Strong anthropic principle suggests the universe was designed. Again. If we were designed and therefore created, what is that reason?

Could a Christian please answeer this for me?

The Bible says Jesus cried out in a loud voice beseeching God for help on the cross:

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46)
Does that sound like something God would say?

Abid wrote:

Could a Christian please answeer this for me?

The Bible says Jesus cried out in a loud voice beseeching God for help on the cross:

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46)
Does that sound like something God would say?

Actually it does not say that He was beseeching God for help.

It simply says that He uttered these words.

Why?

He was quoting the 22nd Psalm which begins with this phrase.

If you read Ps 22, it contains several prophecies of the type of death He was suffering:

7All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads:

8 "He trusts in the LORD;
let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him."




14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted away within me.

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.

16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have pierced [c] my hands and my feet.

17 I can count all my bones;
people stare and gloat over me.

18 They divide my garments among them
and cast lots for my clothing.