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Thu 7 Dec, 2006 06:54 am
Is Jesus God?
Where is the proof?
The bible seems to suggest otherwise.....
I Corinthians 8:4: "... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one"; (I Timothy 2:5): "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Lets look at it from the Qur'anic point of view, which corresponds with what Jesus himself said in the Bible. Jesus is mentioned several times in the Qur'an as a "Word from Allah." In Surah 3:39: Then the angels called to him [Zechariah] while he was standing in prayer in the chamber (saying): "Allah gives you glad tidings of John [the Baptist] believing in a Word from Allah [Jesus, son of Mary], noble, keeping away from sexual relations with women, a prophet, and one of the righteous."
In Surah 3:45: [Remember] when the angels said: "O Mary! Verily Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name will be Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter, and of those who are near to Allah." In both verses, Jesus is called a "Word from Allah," by which is meant a Word coming from Allah or belonging to Allah, in correspondence with I Corinthians 3:23: "And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's." John 1:1 should also have been written: "... and the Word was God's."
The mistake could have been in the translation from Aramaic to Greek, deliberately or not.
In the Greek language, Theos is God, while Theou means God's (see any Greek dictionary or Bible, or Muhammad in the Bible by Prof. Abdul Ahad Dawud, former Bishop of Uramiah, page 16). This difference of only one letter has major consequences.
Jesus being God is not incompatible with your belief that Mohammed was Allah's prophet.
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:Does it matter?
I think it does.
Matthew 15:9: "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
How are you going to heaven if you do not know who your Lord and saviour is?
Steve 41oo wrote:Jesus being God is not incompatible with your belief that Mohammed was Allah's prophet.
No we do not worship Mohammed.
We do not believe he died for our sins.
We do not believe he was the begotten son of God.
We do not believe he is God incarnate.
The news of the Prophet Mohammed's death was so hard upon close companions and Muslims that some of them refused to believe that he had passed away. (At the close of his death, he looked youthful as if in his forties and his face always shown a great radiance). Upon hearing this, Abu Bakr (ra) who was later to become the first caliph went to the mosque and delivered one of the noblest speeches:
"O People! If Muhammad is the sole object of your adoration, then know that he is dead. But if it is Allah (The One God) you Worshiped, then know that He does not die."
Abid wrote:Bi-Polar Bear wrote:Does it matter?
I think it does.
Matthew 15:9: "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
How are you going to heaven if you do not know who your Lord and saviour is?
Does it matter, if you dont read things like that?
Ive been told on this forum that there is a difference between God and Lord, so Im just totally confused.
Im sure God/Jesus/Lord didnt mean to make religion so tricky.
[quote="material girl. . .Im sure God/Jesus/Lord didnt mean to make religion so tricky.[/quote]Good point. If more folks understood the first 3 chapters of Genesis, they would know God's purpose for us, why it has been delayed, and what God intends to do about it.
In fact, most of us already know enough if we would only think about it:
Where would Adam and Eve (and we) be now if they had not been drawn into Satan's rebellion?
Would God change his purpose simply because less powerful creatures stood in his way?
Steve 41oo wrote:Jesus being God is not incompatible with your belief that Mohammed was Allah's prophet.
That went right over his head, Boss.
Abid wrote:No we do not worship Mohammed.
We do not believe he died for our sins.
We do not believe he was the begotten son of God.
We do not believe he is God incarnate.
So its not much use being a muslim then.
material girl wrote:Abid wrote:Bi-Polar Bear wrote:Does it matter?
I think it does.
Matthew 15:9: "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
How are you going to heaven if you do not know who your Lord and saviour is?
Does it matter, if you dont read things like that?
Ive been told on this forum that there is a difference between God and Lord, so Im just totally confused.
Im sure God/Jesus/Lord didnt mean to make religion so tricky.
He didnt
the confusion of men do this.
The confusion the devil brings
Steve 41oo wrote:Abid wrote:No we do not worship Mohammed.
We do not believe he died for our sins.
We do not believe he was the begotten son of God.
We do not believe he is God incarnate.
So its not much use being a muslim then.
There is a point being Muslim (submitter to God) Stevie boy. If only you knew.
Realise thst God did not leve us without guidence and he is ONE.
Not three
No son.
No holy spirt
ONE.
neologist wrote:[quote="material girl. . .Im sure God/Jesus/Lord didnt mean to make religion so tricky.
Good point. If more folks understood the first 3 chapters of Genesis, they would know God's purpose for us, why it has been delayed, and what God intends to do about it.
In fact, most of us already know enough if we would only think about it:
Where would Adam and Eve (and we) be now if they had not been drawn into Satan's rebellion?
Would God change his purpose simply because less powerful creatures stood in his way?[/quote]
Who said His purpose changed ever.
The purpose is to TEST those who are worthy, using these less powerful creatures.
Abid wrote:Steve 41oo wrote:Abid wrote:No we do not worship Mohammed.
We do not believe he died for our sins.
We do not believe he was the begotten son of God.
We do not believe he is God incarnate.
So its not much use being a muslim then.
There is a point being Muslim (submitter to God) Stevie boy. If only you knew.
Realise thst God did not leve us without guidence and he is ONE.
Not three
No son.
No holy spirt
ONE.
holy sh1t no holy spirt? Thst leves me guidence-less Abid-Spelling-ONE.
Abid wrote:neologist wrote:[quote="material girl]. . .Im sure God/Jesus/Lord didnt mean to make religion so tricky.
Good point. If more folks understood the first 3 chapters of Genesis, they would know God's purpose for us, why it has been delayed, and what God intends to do about it.
In fact, most of us already know enough if we would only think about it:
Where would Adam and Eve (and we) be now if they had not been drawn into Satan's rebellion?
Would God change his purpose simply because less powerful creatures stood in his way?
Who said His purpose changed ever.
The purpose is to TEST those who are worthy, using these less powerful creatures.[/quote]Sorry about my misuse of quote function and resultant confusion.
Wher did you get the 'The purpose is to TEST those who are worthy' idea? Not from Genesis. Not from the Bible. Who, really is doing the testing?
Abid wrote:neologist wrote:[quote="material girl. . .Im sure God/Jesus/Lord didnt mean to make religion so tricky.
Good point. If more folks understood the first 3 chapters of Genesis, they would know God's purpose for us, why it has been delayed, and what God intends to do about it.
In fact, most of us already know enough if we would only think about it:
Where would Adam and Eve (and we) be now if they had not been drawn into Satan's rebellion?
Would God change his purpose simply because less powerful creatures stood in his way?
Who said His purpose changed ever.
The purpose is to TEST those who are worthy, using these less powerful creatures.[/quote]
Don't waste your time brother. They will never see the light or the guidance, people have tried before and all they do is mock them. There is no use.
Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, (they) will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them. (Quran 2:6-7)
neologist wrote:Abid wrote:neologist wrote:[quote="material girl]. . .Im sure God/Jesus/Lord didnt mean to make religion so tricky.
Good point. If more folks understood the first 3 chapters of Genesis, they would know God's purpose for us, why it has been delayed, and what God intends to do about it.
In fact, most of us already know enough if we would only think about it:
Where would Adam and Eve (and we) be now if they had not been drawn into Satan's rebellion?
Would God change his purpose simply because less powerful creatures stood in his way?
Who said His purpose changed ever.
The purpose is to TEST those who are worthy, using these less powerful creatures.
Sorry about my misuse of quote function and resultant confusion.
Wher did you get the 'The purpose is to TEST those who are worthy' idea? Not from Genesis. Not from the Bible. Who, really is doing the testing?[/quote]
No I didnt get it from the Bible.
God is doing the testing.
Genesis claims God rested????
Would God need to rest?
One mistake in the quote function and it carries from post to post. . .
OK, Well.
God allows us to be tested; but the test comes from his adversary:
"Simon, Simon, look! Satan has demanded to have YOU men to sift YOU as wheat." (Luke 22:31)
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