So do Mexican inmmigrats in the US, Spanish immigrants in Switzerland, Argentinian immigrants in Mexico or Moroccan immigrants in Spain. It's only natural.
Usually the children of immigrants have mixed feelings, but lean for their new nation and the grandchildren root completely for the new nation.
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Now, come to think a little more about it, your proposition is preposterous.
My dad was Cuban. He wanted Mexico to win in everything, except if it was against Cuba.
I remember his tears of joy in the Mexico City stadium when Cuba won an olympic medal. Those tears are on my eyes now. Was he supposed to not love his home country?
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And perhaps the question is. Do the Turkish immigrants root for Holland or the Czech Republic when they play against Germany?
I doubt it.
Talking about sports and the emotional attachment to one's country is such a silly argument. When the 49ers used to play very well back in the 90s, I rooted for them, shouted for joy for them when they won, and cried when they lost some big ones. I haven't rooted for the 49ers in a few years now, but root for the Sacramento Kings in basketball. So what? There was a time I even rooted for the Chicago Cubs.
Thanks for that article lash. It was interesting that the poll showed 55% of germans and 2 thirds of french not wanting turkey in. I got that impression when I was in Europe but was told that because it was in bavaria, it wasn't a true representation of europe.
I still think Turkey will get in though.
Thanks for your reasoned response, fbaezer. So much more courteously phrased than the response that sprang to my fingers.
It's only natural.
eh <nods as daughter of immigrants> Beth
your slightly away from the topic. Turkey into or not into the EU. According to lash's article, 55% of germans and 2 thirds of france don't want them in. So I am not the only one. Yeeehaaa!
australia,
Have you ever visited Turkey or known any Turks? They are people like everyone else. Most work very hard; in commerce one occasionally encounters a somewhat brusque manner, but otherwise they are friendly and warm-hearted - overall very agreeable people. They are also variable like everyone else. A few are argumentative, deliberately offensive and given to undue and scurrilous disparagement of others who don't deserve it - however, as you have amply shown us, this is not a characteristic limited to Turks. Most are unlike that - fine people.
It has been a very long time since the Ottomans were aggressors in southeastern Europe and the Middle East. Throughout the 19th and 20th centuries they were far more often the victims of European aggression, particularly during WWI. However, at Gallipoli and Sulva Bay.they did manage to provide a few lessons in the military arts to the French, British and Australians.
Thats fine. But I still don't think they be should let in the EU. But I would bet they come in at some time. And after Turkey will come Albania.
Is it true that applicant countries to the EU get money from the EU?
The EU does have development programs to bring less afluent countries up to speed with the union. Don't think these kick in before membership is aproved though.
What I can't understand though is what countries like Germany and France get out of it. The first part of the EU was okay because all the countries were on the same level. But now there are countries not on the same level, there are givers and receivers. So what do the givers get out of it? I read where Germany funds 55% of the EU. Why would they continue to fund under resourced countries if they get nothing out of it?
Germany is a special case, it has the moral obligation to offer Europe what Hitler owed.
australia wrote:What I can't understand though is what countries like Germany and France get out of it. The first part of the EU was okay because all the countries were on the same level. But now there are countries not on the same level, there are givers and receivers. So what do the givers get out of it? I read where Germany funds 55% of the EU. Why would they continue to fund under resourced countries if they get nothing out of it?
Even before the eastwards expansion the Eu encompased poor countries. Ireland and Spain used to be poor in comparison to the other EU members.
JB. Thats exactly what the German government thinks. But I would argue against it. It is not fair on current germans who were not even born during Hitlers reign, to have to pay for all other countries problems. I don't think Germany should be run differently to France, Holland, Italy etc. Italy were the bad guys during the war too, and their government doesn't act like the german government does.
Member countries pay a contribution to the EU every year, depending on how big and how wealthy they are.
The poorer countries receive funds to help their economies catch up.
Financing of the European Union's budget
EU - economic and financial affairs
Future of the EU
So whats in it for Germany Walter, if they are paying out all the time? It seems to me to be just an extra cost.
australia wrote:JB. Thats exactly what the German government thinks. But I would argue against it. It is not fair on current germans who were not even born during Hitlers reign, to have to pay for all other countries problems. I don't think Germany should be run differently to France, Holland, Italy etc. Italy were the bad guys during the war too, and their government doesn't act like the german government does.
That proves that germany is a high-quality nation. That is the way they have chosen. Just move on!
Haha I am just laughing at the irony of this. I don't even live in Europe and I am arguing this EU issue, and you guys in Europe are arguing against me.
that is what i thought, everyone has there own mind.
It's not a matter of arguing against you.
That's the ultimate goals of EU, goes sometimes beyond the general limited understanding.
One, to judge, should learn Europe's last centuries history.
Peace inside Europe has a price.
Ask yourself how much trade Germany or France make with other EU members.
And not only in terms of items sold but either services as insurance, bank and so on..
Good point Francis. That is an intelligent point to make!
Thats what I was asking. What countries like Germany and France get out of it. Maybe they get more trade from letting the eastern bloc countries in. I don't know, thats why I asked the question.
