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FOLLOWING THE EUROPEAN UNION

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 2 Jan, 2004 02:29 pm
Setanta

By a totally bad luck, I crossed Britanny and Normandy at that time in 1994.
I didn't see any of the tens of head of states, but thousands of veterans in antique jeeps and lorries all over the countryside, and it took me longer to cross this part of France than the allied forces to get to Paris in 1944.


Nearly. Laughing
The time to cross, I mean, veterans presumably much more :wink:
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Ning
 
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Fri 2 Jan, 2004 03:52 pm
Re: Schroeder to Attend 60th Anniversary of D-Day
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Ning wrote:

Now the question is : Will Bush also come ?

Well, regarding this article in 'Le Monde'
Quote:
Comme en 1994, tous les dirigeants des dizaines de pays engagés contre l'Allemagne durant la seconde guerre mondiale, notamment le président américain George W. Bush, la reine Elizabeth II d'Angleterre et les premiers ministres britannique Tony Blair et canadien Paul Martin ont été invités en Normandie le 6 juin 2004.
[quoted from Pour la première fois, un chancelier allemand participera aux commémorations du 6 juin 1944]

he at least is invited.


Yes, of course, Bush was invited. US presidents have always been invited (every year). It's not in top of the news because it's usual. Newspapers don't speak about on-time trains Smile
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au1929
 
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Fri 2 Jan, 2004 04:50 pm
Void: Posted on wrong thread.
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blatham
 
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Fri 2 Jan, 2004 05:32 pm
steve

My father was born in Shropshire. It's an embarrassment, but factual. Though he came here at age 3, until the end of his life he continued to refer to this place as Canadur and to hold that the bounteous fruits of his loins would ever be English.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Sat 3 Jan, 2004 01:30 pm
Blatham

So you're almost French!
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blatham
 
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Sat 3 Jan, 2004 02:27 pm
Are the French sprung from the muscular loins of brits then?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 4 Jan, 2004 10:09 am
Quote:
Germany Presses for EU Constitution By End of 2004

03.01.2004

German Chancellor Schröder has stressed that the need for a decision on an EU Constitution by the end of this year. In a statement published Saturday, he said his country will not offer concessions on voting rights.


Following last month's failed attempt to approve an EU constitution, European leaders have been busy pointing fingers at each other and passing the blame for the row over voting right. Spain and Poland have aligned themselves against Germany and France in opposing a proposal to replace the current complex voting system with one that allows for a simple majority of 13 nations (from 25) as long as they represent 60 percent of the EU's 450 million population. Berlin and Paris are clearly in favor of the reformed procedure put forth in the constitution and have criticized the blocking by the other two.

"We have put on the table what we believe is right," Schröder was quoted in the newsmagazine Der Spiegel. "We must see by the end of 2004 at the latest whether we can reach a decision on this basis."

"Of course we will have to see where we can give ground to one or another (country)," he added, "but concessions on the weighting of votes are out of the question."

Spain and Poland refused to endorse the new voting system claiming it would put too much power in the hands of more populous Germany, France, Britain and Italy, which already dominate the EU on the sheer basis on their strong economies. The two smaller members want to retain a system adopted in the Nice Treaty of 2000 that gave them each 27 votes against 29 for France and Germany.

In response to the derailed summit in Brussels, French President Jacques Chirac suggested that a "pioneer group" of nations could move forward alone with closer cooperation on areas such as the economy, justice and defense. The idea of a "two-speed Europe," however, has drawn a harsh response from many other members.

Schröder, who in the past year has moved his country on a path close to Paris, said he does not necessarily embrace the notion of a core Europe with other members on the sideline. "I don't want this," he told Der Spiegel, "but I must prepare myself for the fact that developments could go in this direction."

Taking over the EU's rotating six-month presidency on Thursday, Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern forecast that the bickering members would eventually agree on a constitution. But he conceded it would be "quite a long task" that could stretch beyond 2004.

Author DW staff (ktz)
http://www.dw-world.de © Deutsche Welle
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au1929
 
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Sun 4 Jan, 2004 10:24 am
Does this come as any great surprise? The suprise would be if the nations of Europe could agree with each other. Do I hear a crack,crack,crack? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 4 Jan, 2004 10:47 am
Well, I agree that it is stupid to discuss such minor topics like a constitition and have different opinions on that. :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 4 Jan, 2004 11:22 am
My post two pages ago.
"With my little bit of understanding of human culture, the language and social differences, it would seem a huge obsticle to overcome to unite the EU into one cohesive unit - never mind the political and economic differences. It will be interesting to watch - especially during the next few decades when it will make it or lose it. "Compromise" is not in most countries vocabulary - nay, in most individual's vocabulary."
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 4 Jan, 2004 12:31 pm
The current impasse on the EU constitution is indicative of a fundamental problem that besets any such attempt to create a collective government for a group of independent states. This general problem has particular manifestations in Europe, where the historical dominance of France ad Germany within the EU (and its predecessors) is the core of it.

In the early years after our revolution the states struggled for several years over exactly the same issue - how to prevent the domination of the union by either a small group of large, populous states, or by a larger group of less populous ones. Their solution was a compromise involving a bicameral legislature with one house representing states on an equal basis and the other with representation in proportion to population. The power to initiate tax and spending legislation was reserved to the latter body, while the approval of treaties, judges and executive appointments, reserved for the former.

The EU is constructed differently - essentially a confederation of sovereign governments (although there is an EU parliament and a growing judiciary) - and that will likely require different elements in an acceptable solution. So far the EU has been very successful in using time and incremental compromise to get around and beyond difficult issues. That may no longer be possible with the matter of voting proportions, given the many new members and the greater divergence of their interests and worldviews. It will be most interesting to observe what unfolds. This remains both a difficult problem and a noble enterprise.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Mon 5 Jan, 2004 08:24 am
Blatham asks

Quote:
Are the French sprung from the muscular loins of brits then?


Don't know, will have to think about that for a nanosecond...

But you're in Canada. And I've been there, and there are French people in Canada therefore you, living in Vancouver are almost...er well Canadian really.

George wrote

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This remains ....... a noble enterprise.


I was surprised by this. I got the impression that most Americans were hostile to a united and therefore powerful EU.
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blatham
 
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Mon 5 Jan, 2004 10:15 am
steve

Yes, there are french people here. We look after them, providing some education and hints as to proper diet, then leave them to rutting amongst the aspen trees.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 5 Jan, 2004 10:33 am
Some seem to leave those trees and try to discover the Canadian metropolis, like the Quebequois, who was staying in a hotel in Edmonton and phoned room service for some pepper.

"Black pepper, or white pepper?" asked the concierge.
"Toilette pepper!"
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au1929
 
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Mon 5 Jan, 2004 10:39 am
blatham
I visited Canada many times on business in the 70's. At that time there was a mini war raging between the English speakers and the French in Montreal. Has that been fully resolved?
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blatham
 
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Mon 5 Jan, 2004 10:45 am
walter

We are going to get in trouble, you and I.

Or the trapper who went out the cabin door, then returned, exasperated and exclaimed, "I went to to find my snow shoes, and dere dey were, gone!"
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 5 Jan, 2004 10:33 pm
Walter, Blastham,

A good gut shaking laugh from each of your stories. Walter, I am doubly impressed by one who can so well do a dialect joke in another language

Steve,

I do indeed believe it is a noble enterprise. However, I also believe that any union dominated by France will not be a friend of my country. This is not a new phenomenon - France has been in the grip of a very peculiar neurosis ever since WWII.

There may well be some hope. I just finished reading "Anti Americanism" by Jean-Francios Revel. I recommend it to you.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 6 Jan, 2004 08:24 am
Quote:
steve

Yes, there are french people here. We look after them, providing some education and hints as to proper diet, then leave them to rutting amongst the aspen trees.


Laughing Thanks Blatham, I needed a laugh. Not forgetting our multilinugual German comedian :wink:
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 6 Jan, 2004 08:30 am
Watching Edith Cresson on the box last night. I've never seen anyone communicate so much by saying so little.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 6 Jan, 2004 10:09 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Not forgetting our multilinugual German comedian :wink:


Well, you'll certainly notice in your 'Radio Times' that on Friday, it's at

9:00 pm
Britain's Best Comedy Show: FRIDAY NIGHT WITH WALTER:
Enjoy five hours of mishap, misery
and embarrassment on BBC SEVEN
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