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Whiteness Studies

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2003 06:32 pm
Affirmative action, when viewed within a sterile environment, could easily be seen to be wrong. But, then, take millions of people and hundreds of years of history, and suddenly the subject becomes one of justice, not how many angels can dance on the point of a needle. It is needed for countless white and black people for probably most of the 21st Century.
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BillW
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2003 06:34 pm
The point that there is in effect "Affirmative Action" on many different levels for whites (as mention in many previous posting) is never challenged and is rampant.
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sweetcomplication
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2003 06:43 pm
EB and BW: yeah! what youse both said! :wink:
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BoGoWo
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 07:11 am
To reitterate, now that we are (are we?) back on topic;

To study a problem, as a "subject", robs it of its emotional inertia, and reduces it to yet another series of ideas in which one must agree with the status quo, in order to score points (get a decent mark).
Instead the concepts of equality should be incorporated into "all" courses, and the basis of affirmative action (that is a voluntary reversal of past agendas, in order to more quickly correct inequities which have been recognized as having been prevalent, and wrong) explained so that participants can understand that they are leading the way to a superior future (which of course will encounter new faults and shortcomings of society, as they become addressed).
I have no problem with making amends for past wrongs which I didn't personally commit; if we are to be responsible for one another, that has to include our ancestry, and their victims.
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sweetcomplication
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 07:21 am
BoGoWo wrote:
To reitterate, now that we are (are we?) back on topic;

I have no problem with making amends for past wrongs which I didn't personally commit; if we are to be responsible for one another, that has to include our ancestry, and their victims.


Yes, BGW, I believe we are indeed back on topic!

No, you nor I didn't personally commit any of it, to be sure, but I still don't think of this as "making amends" either. We are addressing past wrongs which have generated current institutional situtations that have become current wrongs.

However, I do believe we need to recognize a collective responsibility for that, to not feel threatened by that, and that it is only 'right' to address that, don't you agree?
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BoGoWo
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 07:35 am
All positive things that occur in this world are the result of invested social intent.
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Setanta
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 07:38 am
A very well stated conception of the social contract in action.
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edgarblythe
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 08:45 am
It should never be played as a blame game, or a political issue, although it certainly will by many.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 09:25 am
BGW, It's not about correcting past wrongs; those wrongs are still alive and well. That's the reason we need AA today, to level the playing field. I was almost shocked to learn last week that we were still discriminated against in housing in San Jose, California, as eported in the San Jose Mercury News. Blacks, Hispanics, and Asian still suffer from housing discrimination. That's gross. c.i.
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edgarblythe
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 09:29 am
A good example of why we cannot be complacent about these things.
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BillW
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 10:22 am
BoGoWo wrote:
To study a problem, as a "subject", robs it of its emotional inertia, and reduces it to yet another series of ideas in which one must agree with the status quo, in order to score points (get a decent mark).


That is an educational problem that is being excellatated in the Bush Administration; ie, "Get a decent mark". That isn't what education is all about, especially higher education. But, unfortunately, that is what we are stuck with. Anybody got a better idea to measure achievement - I know, that's another thread Smile

Education is the birthing place for social reform and AA must be there so that people can see themselves, if white, and understand where they are - nonwhites. It this action doesn't occur, then the results as is are denial. If the action does occur, social change is eminent.

My belief is that most people don't want to be this way and without an inward look, change won't occur. If you don't want change, by not exposing the relationship, the "dirty little secret" is successfully kept a secret. Somethings are harsh and hurt, this is progress!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 10:51 am
I also read an article in a minority newspaper that Abercombie and Fitch is being sued for discriminatory practices. They want all their stores to have white salespeople, and minorities are stuck in the stockrooms or on night shifts. Minorities also suffer from not represented in their management and promotions. I hope they go bankrupt. c.i.
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edgarblythe
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 11:36 am
Grrrr..
Get 'em CI. I'm right behind you.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 11:45 am
Here's a link on the lawsuit against Abrocombie and Fitch. c.i. http://www.afjustice.com/
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edgarblythe
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 11:52 am
I don't recall ever seeing that same combination of plaintifs on a single issue. I bet A&F "see the light" in a hurry.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 11:56 am
edgar, I doubt it; they also sold a t-shirt showing slant-eyed Asians. They're dumb and dumber; it starts from the top of the organization. c.i.
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edgarblythe
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2003 12:14 pm
Loss of money often "converts" the predjudiced. Then again, once a jerk, always a jerk.
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sweetcomplication
 
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Sun 6 Jul, 2003 09:01 am
How I Learned to Hate Racism
by Robert J. Ruhf

Email me at [email protected]
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"How can you like the feeling of hatred in your blood?
What is it you're concealing underneath that hood?
Whether its religion or the color of the skin,
No matter what the reason, can't you see that your hatred is a sin?
And I am not deceived by the prayers I hear you pray
And I can't help believe that you'll not escape the Judgement Day."
--from "Hand Me Down Hate" by Raspberry Jam, 1993 Metro-One Records. Used with permission.

*****

The following story/essay briefly describes the most influential experiences I had as a child (from the age of 5 to the age of 18) that taught me to hate bigotry and racial intolerance. The names of people have been changed in order to respect their privacy.


(1) How my parents influenced my views (1970):

I was five years old when my older sister and I started saying, "Eeny meanie miny moe. Catch a nigger by his toe. If he hollers let him go. Eeny meanie miny moe." We didn't know what "nigger" meant. As far as we knew, the word was just a small part of a rhyme that we heard other kids saying.

We said the rhyme in front of my parents one night.

"You shouldn't be saying that word," my mom said when she heard us say "nigger."

"Why?" I asked. "Is it a 'naughty' word?"

"Yes," my mom and dad said.

"Oh, okay," I said. I then said to my older sister, "We should find something else to say. How about 'cookie.'" So she and I started saying, "Eeny meanie miny moe, catch a cookie by its toe. If it hollers let it go, Eeny meanie miny moe." We said it this way for years.

A week after mom and dad told us not to use the word, I became very curious about why the word was so bad. I walked up to my dad and asked, "Dad, why is 'nigger' a naughty word?"

"Over a hundred years ago, black people were slaves," my dad explained. "The word 'nigger' was what black people were called when they were slaves."

My five year old mind was very moved by this. I thought very deeply about the idea of people being slaves, and I imagined what it must have been like. It scared me, and I thought to myself, "I wouldn't want to be a slave!" I had a very hard time believing that there was actually slavery at one time. I found the idea terrifying and horrible. I instantly understood why the word was so "naughty," and I very quickly learned to hate it. I decided that I would never use that word again. This word would become the most offensive word to me, probably because of the impact that my dad's explanation had on me at such a young age. As I look back, I am very impressed by the sensitive way that my dad explained it to me.


(2) How television influenced my views (some time in the 1970's):

I grew up watching the program "All in the Family." There was one particular episode that hit me harder than any other. The episode began with Archie Bunker opening his front door and finding a swastika painted on the outside of the door. A group of violent racists had mistaken Archie's house for the home of a Jewish man who lived up the street. The second half of the episode focused primarily on a conversation between Archie and a Jewish man. The conversation took place in Archie's living room. Edith, "Meathead," and Gloria were also in the conversation. Near the end of the episode, the word came that the terrorists realized that they had the wrong house, and that the terrorists were now planning to attack the Jewish man who lived up the street. The Jewish man who was talking to Archie in Archie's living room walked out of the house. Gloria, "Meathead," Archie, and Edith then had a brief conversation that turned out to be the calm before the storm. Suddenly there was an extremely loud boom, as if an explosion had occurred. Archie, Gloria, Edith, and "Meathead" ran to the front door, and Archie swung the door open. The last part of the episode showed all four of them staring out the door with expressions of extreme shock and horror on their faces. Archie said in a soft, horrified voice, "Holy, Geez! They blew him up in his car!" A shudder went through my body as I literally shook with shock and horror. There was no typical audience applause that was common to the show. There was only a few seconds of total silence as the four of them stared in pure horror. The scene faded to black. I was quite shaken up by this episode. I was in shock, and I stared motionless at the TV for two minutes after the scene faded to black. I had heard of this sort of thing happening, and I knew that it was a reality. I started to move again after about two minutes, but I thought about this episode for a long time. The episode helped me to see how extreme and radical the hatred of people could actually be. [Note: I finally saw this episode again on Nick at Night (the Nickelodeon cable network) on Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 12:30 A.M. It was the first time that I had seen the episode since I was a child. The episode still left me chilled.]

I continued to watch "All in the Family," and it was one of the most dramatic influences on my views about racism. The show often oversimplified complex issues with its liberal bias, but it rightly addressed the problem of racism and it made a difference in my life. (Note: Carroll O'Connor, who played Archie Bunker, died of a heart attack at the age of 76 on June 21, 2001

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okay, I'm verklempt; please discuss the above amongst yourselves, okay?
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edgarblythe
 
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Sun 6 Jul, 2003 09:12 am
I recall the "Eeney meeny" jingle from when I was a kid. I don't recall a reason why, but I always felt uncomfortable with it and never said it. Later, I heard my children saying: "Catch a tiger -"
Another expression I avoided in childhood was: "Two against one is - fun." Fill in with the word formerly mentioned in the article. This is a word I will not allow myself to use even in "intellectual" conversations. It is, simply, one of the most ugly, loaded, words ever invented.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 6 Jul, 2003 09:28 am
Our family came from very humble backgrounds, so I'm not sure where I ended up where I am today. As a Japanese American, we lived with discrimination, but my ideas differ a great deal even with my siblings. Simply, I'm an advocate for all who are discriminated against. When I worked in management for Florsheim Shoe Comany, I was the first to hire a woman as a field auditor for Florsheim. I also hired many Philippinos as internal auditors, because when I gave them bookkeeping tests, they scored well above the norm. I believe I was the first Asian to work in management at Florsheim Shoe Company. It's rather sad, but they went bankrupt last year. The company changed a great deal since I left them in the early seventies when shoes were manufactured in Chicago. Most of their shoes were manufactured in Asia for most of the nineties. There are still some Florsheim Shoe Shops, but they were bought out by a small private company. c.i.
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