Why Michigan Needs to Hunt More, Not Less (pic)

Nothing like partying with the clueless.... sorry folks...

Baiting is the ideal way to manage deer. And bears. And especially A2K anti-everything liberals.

Snood, I never threatened you, you biggest threat is looking at you in the mirror. And you know it.

Why?

That's dumb. You will lose archery next. Trust me, it's on the antis agenda. Fall for that "that's not hunting" crap and you'll lose everything.

You sure seem like a little scared punk.

I mean that in a nice way.

Re: Why Michigan Needs to Hunt More, Not Less (pic)


If they get enough wolves and bobcats around, then isn't cj just one more predator in the crowd? Granted that with a gun he's a very good predator, and probably way overkill for a deer, but just another predator all the same.

I'm not a big fan of reintroducing wolves where humans habitate. They might help control the deer population, but they will also help decimate the sheep and other domestic animal populations, endanger children, hunter, hikers and campers alike.

If they are reintroduced, then once they are established, they should be hunted like any other game animal so they keep a healthy respect for humans.

The only acceptable solution to everything, according to cjhsa, seems to be to hunt, hunt, hunt, kill,l kill,l kill.

There seems to be a definite theme here.

Thanks for noticing.

I think instead of worrying about deer overpopulation, we should worry about human overpopulation. Shoot the idiots who have 5,6,7 or more kids! Deer aren't destroying this planet....we are.

actually we are not destroying the planet.... we are not capable of it.

I do believe however that in a most sporting way the planet is giving us many signs and warnings that it will soon enough destroy us if we don't stop f*cking around with it.

If it wasn't for deer, the American auto industry would have collapsed years before it did.

cj's post
Shows you that you know very little about game management. Baiting is whats dumb.
Ive watched in Maine, where baiting bear is an industry. Since Maine requires guides, the guides set up bait stations by collecting tons of Donut garbage over the non season. They set up bait holes covered with plywood and topped with a big rock. THis requires the bears to work to roll the rock and get The catch is that the atlatl hunter must demonstrate proficiecythe donuts. So the "guide" sets up a ring of these which habituate a whole bunch of bears to the taste of donut (jelly donuts in particular). Somes hunting season, bears from miles around wait in line to be blasted. The results are a collection of bears that have become noticeably smaller by wanton culling. Average bear sizes are about 200 lb and very few bears over 300 lb are even see. Yet these are all adult breeders.
In Pa, its a random access mission. Consequently, the bear harvest is about 3000 +/- (this year I believe it was in the mid 2000's) and the bears are huge. The largest bear in the US was taken in PAa last year (Its an all time record for a blackie). The population of large bears is seemingly the entire point. Why would anyone even want to hunt something as big as a SharPei?
No, its baiting that is stupid, > Stupid and kind of anti-ecology.

We manage the deer herd much better than many surrounding states , because its done fairly clinically, with extra does and bonus bucks allowed in certain years. The carrying capacity of forests is about 25-30 deer per sq mi. Not like in W Va where its 200+ or NY state where theyre in everyones backyards.
PA doesnt have a really bad hunter problem, and the hunting seasons are pretty much obeyed and the game anbimals are in good supply. Certain birds, like Gallinules and Grouse, have been decimated by predation and habitat loss (they need deep woods and much of Pa is getting fracture forested due to logging) So the grouse season is now heavily controlled, youre only allowed one bird per day(hardly worth the effort really, so hunters dont go out for them much which is giving the population relief.
s for losing archery, I dont think so. Pa has opened an atlatl season next to archery.

PS cj, just to frost your nuts, two of those hunters who shot my cat have lost their licenses for 2 years under the careless disregard and endangerment clause in the rules of the Pa Game Commission that comes with each hunting license.
It doesnt bring back Lucky, but it makes two of the doofi stop and thing about it next time they get invited onto someones land as a guest hunter.

I'm glad you got the result you desired concerning your cat.

Michigan has very specific rules about baiting, you can only put out small amounts of food, and it must be contained within a small area. Baiting is about the only way most bowhunters will ever be successful, no matter the prey, and it provides a way to properly cull the heard when deer are overly populated.

Hell, I use doe scents, apples, corn, etc. I rarely see any deer when I'm hunting. I see more when I sit down to eat lunch.

BTW, would you like me to tell you the "targets" HSUS has on their PA ballot agenda?

It might "frost your nuts".

If culling is the true objective, then why is it done with a bow? Why don't you be honest about it and say that the bow hunting is for sport.....not culling per se.

It is also very funny to see the big brave bow hunters carrying a sidearm to protect themselves from the big bad bears. Upon whose territory they are invading I may add.

Use of bait for wildlife management seems pretty mainstream to me.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/index/index-display.jsp?id=cat600362&navAction=jump&navCount=1&parentId=cat20712&parentType=category&cmCat=MainCatcat20712

Actually, I carry one for protection from antis....

Many hunters prefer bowhunting because of the challenge. They are also some of the best hunters out there as far as respecting game laws and consuming their harvest.

It isn't always, firearms season is only two weeks long here in MI. But you can hunt over bait with firearms, you just won't see many bucks if you do, just lots of does.

Hmm. I wonder if this is what happens when you get too "clinical".


Deer-jacked! Hunter is held up

November 28, 2006

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MEADVILLE, Pa. - Three men stole a hunter's doe at gunpoint, the hunter said.

"I'm really, really upset about the whole ordeal," said Robert Hanna, 42, of Meadville, Pa.. "(It's) over a dumb deer. If they wanted it so bad I would have said, 'Take it.'"

Hanna said he shot the deer on Monday afternoon and was getting ready to come down from his tree stand when he was approached by three men with rifles.

They ordered him to empty his rifle and throw his gun down and one of the men then knocked him to the ground, he said.

"It's an armed robbery and an assault," said Vernon Township Sgt. Randy Detzel. "They knocked him to the ground and took his deer."

Police had no suspects.

Oooh, I must have hit a nerve on cj. He doesnt like to have his Wildlife Management called names by someone from another state .

I wasnt talking about hunters, youre making the case that the anti-hunters want heard, ie"that most hunters are yahoos". I was talking about the Pa GAme Commission who sets the rules and does the enforcing and sets up thge management for the yahoos.

I seem to recall something about a fairly serious gunbattle over a deer in Wisconsin last year, which left some people dead, you recall? Wisconsin is your neighbor. .
Your argument about "bait hunting" being mainstream, and then posting an ad from Cabelas (who sells anything you want to buy re: feeding animals) is a loser. We cant buy fireworks as Pa citizens, but we have factory stores that sell it to you. Ive posted the 2004 enforcement results that included warnings and revocations re: bait hunting. ITS ILLEGAL IN PA -PERIOD.




We take enforcement seriously and we prosecute in Pa. Im sure if the Meadville guys are found, theyll do time for the deer, (besides losing hunting priviledges for life). Maybe in Mi you represent the mainstream, in Pa, if you got caught baiting, youd have 1 freebee, then you lose privileges, simple .
This year the bonus buck and special county tag doe licenses require that the meat go to food banks. So, to answer intrepids comment, in Pa the hunt IS used to cull. We just use hunters desires to kill things to do the necessary work. Then the meat is divvied up for the poor and for state institutions (like prisons).
I personally couldnt gag a piece of deermeat down so I have no dog in cjs fight. I do go rabbit and goose hunting because wild goose is about one of the most delicious meats IMHO and rabbit is also very good when cooked within a tarragon gravy. Also we are up to our asses in Canada geese in Pa.