maporsche wrote:real life wrote:maporsche wrote:real life wrote:Wilso wrote:You're an atheist too real life. You're an athiest when it comes to Thor, Apollo, Zeus, Venus etc.
We just take it one god further than you do!
Good point, Wilso. I agree.
Of course you agree, but you fail to recognize the absurdity of believing in your god above all others. But I forgot, you have been given the divine truth from the holy spirit who has touched your soul in so many unprovable ways.
Why should I believe in Jesus Christ over Zues?
Well, maporsche that is a fair question.
I am sitting at a computer in an office.
If I saw your tomorrow and you said, 'Prove to me scientifically that you were sitting at computer in an office yesterday', I could not do so.
So, it depends on what kind of 'proof' you are referring to.
Scientific proof requires observation, repeatability, falsifiability, etc.
Historical/legal proof is quite another thing. By it's very nature, history and most of the events we experience cannot be repeated. So they are not 'scientifically provable'.
I believe in God because of my experience. No, I can't 'prove' it to you scientifically.
But I pray, and very often I have received that which I prayed for. Frequently these are things I would have had no control or influence over, so it's unlikely that I caused a 'self fulfilling' scenario of any kind.
The answered prayer reason for believing is full of problems RL. 1st, many Christians agree that god answers all prayers. Those answers could be 'yes', 'no', or 'maybe later' (or the various variations of these words). The kicker is that god doesn't tell you his answer, so you don't know if god is really answering anything.
Say my mother falls ill and the doctors give her a 50/50 chance of living. I then heartfully convert to Christianity and pray that Jesus will save my mother. If she lives, I would likely put a 'W' in the prayer column; god said 'yes'. BUT the doctors said that it was a 50/50 shot anyway, so how do I know it was prayer?
Say my mother died, if I'm a devout Christian I would probably say that god must have answered 'no' and chault another 'W' in the prayer column. I would justify my mother dying and god not saving her with some excuse like 'God wanted my mother with him in heaven', or 'God must be putting these challenges in my life for a higher purpose'. BUT the doctors said that it was a 50/50 shot anyway, so how do I know that it was prayer?
In both cases it would be out of my control if my mother died. So to say that you believe in god because he answered your prayers is a little disingenious at best. When you have the 'yes', 'no', 'maybe later' approach to prayer answering, EVERY PRAYER is answered, which means that really no prayer is answered.
Naturally, someone is always going to say, "It would have happened anyway."
Anything is possible and we'll never know what 'woulda happened' , will we?
Yes, you can say if you wish that all the requests that I have received as answers to prayer 'woulda happened anyway', and there's no way to verify or falsify it, is there?
So , there's always room for doubting, just as there's always room for faith.
Even the most spectacular events that can be attributed to prayer, I have also heard people dismiss, saying 'yeah it would have happened anyway'.
And prayer is just one of many reasons that I believe.
. I'm an agnostic but I like the whole warm and fuzzy feeling or spirit of the holiday.
