Hey Barbarian?

Just two words: Atefah Sahaaleh.

Fully justifiable with exactly that kind of religious nonsense.

(Stupid 14 year old should have known better than to get herself raped.)

So, here is a question: if there was a society with a justice system which was totally equitable or fair to everyone, which would One consider to be more barbaric:

Is the allowing of law abiding citizens and their families to lose their lives because they do not have healthcare, while at the same time their taxes are providing healthcare for those felons who have chosen to murder, less barbaric than putting those criminals to death?

Is the forcing of law abiding citizens and their families to foot the bill of a criminal's room, board, entertainment, and healthcare for the next 5, 10 or 20 years, while the citizens themselves are without these luxuries, less barbaric than punishing criminals by having them lose a member?

Is the forcing of law abiding citizens and their families to eat one meal a day, while at the same time their taxes are providing three square meals for someone who has chosen to break the laws, less barbaric than punishing criminals by having them lose a member ?

Is the forcing of law abiding citizens and their families to pay for education, while at the same time their taxes are providing free education for convicted criminals, less barbaric than punishing criminals by having them lose a member ?

Mindonfire wrote:

So, here is a question: if there was a society with a justice system which was totally equitable or fair to everyone, which would One consider to be more barbaric:

Is the allowing of law abiding citizens and their families to lose their lives because they do not have healthcare, while at the same time their taxes are providing healthcare for those felons who have chosen to murder, less barbaric than putting those criminals to death?

Is the forcing of law abiding citizens and their families to foot the bill of a criminal's room, board, entertainment, and healthcare for the next 5, 10 or 20 years, while the citizens themselves are without these luxuries, less barbaric than punishing criminals by having them lose a member?

Is the forcing of law abiding citizens and their families to eat one meal a day, while at the same time their taxes are providing three square meals for someone who has chosen to break the laws, less barbaric than punishing criminals by having them lose a member ?

Is the forcing of law abiding citizens and their families to pay for education, while at the same time their taxes are providing free education for convicted criminals, less barbaric than punishing criminals by having them lose a member ?

It doesn't matter which is "more barbaric".

I can't help but believe that it would make more sense for criminals to somehow....in someway earn their room and board and their keep.

Maybe have the criminal do some work that is somehow related to the crime they committed.

They should see firsthand the effects of the crime and have an opportunity to make a change for the better.

If the crime was they shot someone ...maybe have that person earn their keep by having them help to take care of gunshot victims and have them exposed to the pain caused to the victim and the loved ones of the victim.

There should be an opportunity of forgiveness and a possibilty for real change.

I would'nt want to cut off their hands since their hands could still be used to do alot of good.

Hands of destruction turned to hands of construction.

God can turn a tragedy into triumph. God still loves the murderer just not the act.

He wants us to love him back ....... doing the acts he loves.

Imagine a murderer transformed into a person who saves lives.

I know ...fairytale big dreams.

Love even our enemies right?

God is merciful....should we not be?

Pretend the murderer is your child.....or pretend the murderer is you.

Do unto others!

WWJD? One thing is for sure.....he was no barbarian. We all have been at times. Not Jesus.

Bartikus wrote:

I can't help but believe that it would make more sense for criminals to somehow....in someway earn their room and board and their keep.

Maybe have the criminal do some work that is somehow related to the crime they committed.

They should see firsthand the effects of the crime and have an opportunity to make a change for the better.

If the crime was they shot someone ...maybe have that person earn their keep by having them help to take care of gunshot victims and have them exposed to the pain caused to the victim and the loved ones of the victim.

There should be an opportunity of forgiveness and a possibilty for real change.

I would'nt want to cut off their hands since their hands could still be used to do alot of good.

Hands of destruction turned to hands of construction.

God can turn a tragedy into triumph. God still loves the murderer just not the act.

He wants us to love him back ....... doing the acts he loves.

Imagine a murderer transformed into a person who saves lives.

I know ...fairytale big dreams.

Love even our enemies right?

God is merciful....should we not be?

Pretend the murderer is your child.....or pretend the murderer is you.

Do unto others!

WWJD? One thing is for sure.....he was no barbarian. We all have been at times. Not Jesus.

I agree entirely (at least, up until the point where your imaginary friend comes into it).

Hands of destruction turned to hands of construction.

Asking which is "more" barbaric is admitting both are barbaric.

Let's not got there Bartikus. Let's just agree that Jesus would not have killed anyone and that his example is a good one.

Bartikus wrote:

Asking which is "more" barbaric is admitting both are barbaric.

Well, according to some, the punishment of criminals is barbaric. While according to others the punishing of law abiding citizens for the cime that a criminal commits is barbaric. So, one of them has to be more barbaric.

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"says the Lord. "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Mindy..

"Is the allowing of law abiding citizens and their families to lose their lives because they do not have healthcare, while at the same time their taxes are providing healthcare for those felons who have chosen to murder, less barbaric than putting those criminals to death? "

What country are you from?

Eorl wrote:

Let's not got there Bartikus. Let's just agree that Jesus would not have killed anyone and that his example is a good one.

Say's who? Who say's that Jesus would not have killed anyone? How do you know? Do you even know who Jesus is?

Mindonfire wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

Asking which is "more" barbaric is admitting both are barbaric.

Well, according to some, the punishment of criminals is barbaric. While according to others the punishing of law abiding citizens for the cime that a criminal commits is barbaric. So, one of them has to be more barbaric.

Who punishes law abiding citizens for the crime that a criminal commits?

echi wrote:

Mindonfire wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

Asking which is "more" barbaric is admitting both are barbaric.

Well, according to some, the punishment of criminals is barbaric. While according to others the punishing of law abiding citizens for the cime that a criminal commits is barbaric. So, one of them has to be more barbaric.

Who punishes law abiding citizens for the crime that a criminal commits?

Those who give convicted felons healthcare while law abiding citizens have none. Those who give convicted felons 3 square meals a day while some law abiding citizens can barely eat 1.