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THE CONTINUITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS AFTER DEATH

 
 
Eorl
 
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Reply Sun 19 Nov, 2006 07:01 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Stuh asks: "Don't the answers to questions 1-6 prove without a shadow of a doubt that consciousness is a product of brain function?"

No doubt, but is it not also clear that all the components of your statements are mental phenomena? Can't you see that this coin as two sides?


Coins have at least three sides you naughty dualist, you !!

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 20 Nov, 2006 12:15 am
NICE, THOUGHTFUL POST;
thank u for it, Fresco

fresco wrote:
OmSigDAVID

Perhaps nudists have seen it all before Smile

As far as "consciousness" goes we need to address the following questions.

1. Is there a difference between "consciousness" and "self-consciousness" ?

One concept is a division of the other concept.


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2. Is brain activity "necessary" or "sufficient" (or both) for "consciousness"

I am skeptical of the concept
that activity of a brain is necessary
for the existence of consciousness.



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or is the latter an aspect of general existence
like a "field phenomenon" which the brain taps into ?

I don 't believe that we have sufficient information
to definitively resolve that question.




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3. Is "self awareness" a solipsistic phenomenon or is it an aspect of "social reality" established via language.

I am not fully certain what u have in mind
by use of the word " social " within this context.





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Questions 1 and 2 are to some extent covered by JLN's esoteric analysis.

Just to take on question 3 for the moment. it seems to me that what is going on within discussions of "near-death experiences" is a social transaction regarding the status of "self" under extreme biological stress.

Let me say that I have had four and a half out-of-body experiences,
over several decades. I was not under stress, during, nor b4,
any of them, nor in any danger of death. During 3 of them,
I felt very much in harmony with a cycle of asking questions
over several hours of taking depostions in court,
when I found what I intuitively felt to be the * real me *
about 30 feet away, across the courtroom,
watching the proceedings, sort of laughing at myself across the room.
The other time was when I was about to bite down on
a hamburger for lunch, in a Friendly Ice Cream restaurant;
( all of very short duration ). There was no drug involvement
in any of them.




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Given that such status is undergoes bizarre metamorphosis in what we call "dreams" or "personality disorders" why should we attach particular significance to any metamorphosis ? Oxygen starvation has been cited to account for apparent similarities of "experience"

During MY personal experiences
( which were not near death experiences )
I was breathing normally, comfortably
and actively, consciously,
engaging in verbal communication;
( except when about to bite the hamburger ).



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so to pursue the matter further is perhaps merely to indulge in the same socially beneficial metaphysical speculation which supports "religion".

And to return to OmSigDAVID then, the philosophical point here is that one thing that "man sees" when he "uncovers himself" is an actual lack of coherence as "an individual" even in his so called waking state ! His multifarious "selves" slip in and out like actors on a social stage.

A minority of people who have returned from death
( usually in hospitals ) have reported that thay felt
a sense of unity of life with the medical personnel
in the room, as well as with the dog barking across
the street and with the trees growing there;
i.e., that the diversity of life is illusionary.




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What then is the status of the ghost in Hamlet .....
merely another role in the play ?

The status is a disembodied consciousness.
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