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A quick question...

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 04:29 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
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I can't speak for anybody else, but after spending most of my adult life figuring out what can be believed for sure, I have arrived at two certainties:

1. God is.

2. I'm not Him.

If I desire to know what how it is in Washington,
I 'll ask someone who has been there.

B4 I go to Disneyworld, I 'll buy a guidebook.

If I choose to find out about the Afterlife,
I 'll ask someone who has been dead.

As of now,
there r millions of them; most of them died in hospitals.
My dead friend Neil, died in the Veterans' Hospital in Las Vegas about 12 times,
according to his floor nurse.
He said that he felt cheated, in that all he remembered was awakening.
Subsequently, I allegedly died during abdominal surgery,
but all I remember is waking up.

A minority of decedents tell of adventures during the time that their
bodies were dead (i.e., flat lines on EKG, EEG, and respirartion monitors ).
Check www.IANDS.org

Some have said that there IS a Judgment Day,
but that u r the Judge,
in the company of a Being of Light,
who counsels u not to be too hard on yourself;
( I don 't know whether that will apply to Saddam ).

The Judgment is according to 2 criteria:

1. Love ( how kindly u treated others )

and

2. Learning.

Thay have said that there is a great desire to join the Great White Light,
and that in that state-of-being, thay observed that thay themselves
were made of that white light.

Some have said that thay knew that all of life was a Unit;
that there was only One Life in the Universe;
that the diversity of life is an illusion.




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One thing Jesus taught us was the Lord's prayer which includes "Forgive us our sins (trespasses, debts, etc. etc. etc.) as we forgive those who sin against us.

This sort of dovetails with His admonition to
"Judge not lest you be judged also."

With no thought of being facetious,
if u made friends with a judge,
wud u encourage him to resign ?

If your son were about to enter the judiciary,
wud u endeavor to dissuade him ?




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And even while we are to discern and choose good and reject evil,
the bottom line is that judgment of one's immortal soul and what will
become of it is God's prerogative alone.
Through Scripture and prayer and revelation I can determine something of what God requires of me personally, but I am not privy to know what he requires of somebody else.

And I don't know of a single soul who became a Christian or a better Christian or anything else by being told that he or she was going to hell.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 04:52 pm
I think we are to judge all things as to whether they are beneficial or not beneficial, helpful or harmful, good or evil. It is our duty and responsibility as good stewards of the earth if for no other reason. And a properly appointed judge's duty is to interpret and apply the law of the land and nothing else.

This is not the same thing as presuming to judge the state of another person's soul or standing with God, however. That is not our prerogative to do.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 08:16 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
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I think we are to judge all things as to whether they are beneficial or not beneficial, helpful or harmful, good or evil.
It is our duty and responsibility as good stewards of the earth if for no other reason. And
a properly appointed judge's duty
is to interpret and apply the law of the land and nothing else
.

That is CERTAINLY the way that I see it,
but this is a little different
than the question with which I addressed u,
to wit:
Wud u counsel your son to REJECT a proper judicial appointment,
if he asked your opinion, based upon the advice of Jesus ?






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This is not the same thing as presuming to judge the state of another person's soul or standing with God, however.
That is not our prerogative to do.

AGREED. It never occurred to me to do THAT.
David
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 09:10 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Quote:
I think we are to judge all things as to whether they are beneficial or not beneficial, helpful or harmful, good or evil.
It is our duty and responsibility as good stewards of the earth if for no other reason. And
a properly appointed judge's duty
is to interpret and apply the law of the land and nothing else
.

That is CERTAINLY the way that I see it,
but this is a little different
than the question with which I addressed u,
to wit:
Wud u counsel your son to REJECT a proper judicial appointment,
if he asked your opinion, based upon the advice of Jesus ?






Quote:

This is not the same thing as presuming to judge the state of another person's soul or standing with God, however.
That is not our prerogative to do.

AGREED. It never occurred to me to do THAT.
David


Again, I don't think Jesus opposed judges who interpret the law. He opposed judges who MADE law, especially when they did not practice what they dictated to others. The judges he denounced were those who presumed to judge the heart of others, not those who judged right and wrong according to the law.

He himself certainly judged the BEHAVIOR or ACTIONS of others. I think he would not have any problem with my son (or anybody else) competently performing the duties of an elected or appointed judge who judged according to the law of the land. Nor do I.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 09:27 pm
AGREED
David
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sunlover
 
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Reply Sun 31 Dec, 2006 03:30 pm
David,

So far, I know that we have to educate ourselves completely and totally, then when we are ready we can take a giant leap to develop a relationship with God.

That is what is meant by "good deeds" not being the way to heaven.
We must become that within us, as in "make the outside like the inside, the inside like the outside." And, as Jesus said, "Do not meditate but begin speaking and I will speak for you..."take action and I will act for you." (paraphrased). Note, this is the father speaking through Jesus, not Jesus the man speaking -- wouldn't it be illogical to think otherwise?

We are no less than Moses or David, who thought themselves too weak and frightened to do what they were asked (told?) to do. I've only known two people (both men) who showed any evidence at all of such a relationship.

"Don't ye know ye are Gods!" Certainly, we can't know that until we believe it.

So, doesn't this agree with what you say, eh? I've only known two people (both men) who have shown evidence of a relationship with The Father, God, The Lord, etc., whatever name is handy or meaningful, I'm not sure. There were people who practiced the teachings of Jesus before the Catholic Church was formed. Gives me the shivers to read about them, what happened to them. I am just so humbled.

Happy New Year!
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bendragonbrown
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jan, 2007 12:31 pm
Wow!
Didn't check this topic for ages. I like how I called it 'quick question' and got 5 pages of responses.
Thanks for everyone that answered the question for me, and I'm glad it envoked such a big debate!
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