A quick question...

Only one sect of Christians is going to Heaven, the ones that kept the same traditions Jesus (pbuh) taught. I don't think they exist today though from how much the Bible and the religion itself has strayed and become so liberal in it's teachings.

Only one sect of Christians is going to Heaven, the ones that kept the same traditions Jesus (pbuh) taught. I don't think they exist today though from how much the Bible and the religion itself has strayed and become so liberal in it's teachings.

Raul-7 wrote:

Only one sect of Christians is going to Heaven, the ones that kept the same traditions Jesus (pbuh) taught. I don't think they exist today though from how much the Bible and the religion itself has strayed and become so liberal in it's teachings.

I don't quite know what you mean here. Anything Jesus taught, including what he taught his disciples (in secret) still exists. Maybe that knowledge has been kept from the general populace because we, until now, weren't ready to "know" it, much less follow it. There were over 30 books written after the death of Jesus, yet only 4 were included in the Christian bible.

But, what has anything to do with "liberal?"

So, who can fool God? He/She knows when we have sincerely asked for forgiveness and are willing to make amends. Most people have such feelings of guilt, they don't believe they can be forgiven or don't even bother to ask for forgiveness. Some don't know what they've done, and don't want to know.

Thunder, we all have to get rid of what has been placed in our heads by parents, teachers, preachers, ministers, priests and popes, etc. When a bucket is full there's no room for new clean & refreshing water. Even if someone has been taught the exact perfect answers I think our answers have to be found solely by us, through study, contemplation and then experience. Lucky are those who learn to slough off old "knowledge" from the brainwaves so there is room for the new.

David, I've read that people who commit suicide don't "go to hell" but don't, either, enter the light. I wouldn't know, though,
I don't plan to commit suicide.

Thunder, we all have to get rid of what has been placed in our heads by parents, teachers, preachers, ministers, priests and popes, etc. When a bucket is full there's no room for new clean & refreshing water. Even if someone has been taught the exact perfect answers I think our answers have to be found solely by us, through study, contemplation and then experience. Lucky are those who learn to slough off old "knowledge" from the brainwaves so there is room for the new.

Why couldn't he just make a good enough plan where we don't end up burning forever?

Why couldn't he just make a good enough plan where we don't end up burning forever?

sunlover wrote:

Thunder, we all have to get rid of what has been placed in our heads by parents, teachers, preachers, ministers, priests and popes, etc. When a bucket is full there's no room for new clean & refreshing water. Even if someone has been taught the exact perfect answers I think our answers have to be found solely by us, through study, contemplation and then experience. Lucky are those who learn to slough off old "knowledge" from the brainwaves so there is room for the new.

How many people do that?

sunlover, There are too few of those catholic priests who later leave the church to teach "freedom/constriction from religion." It's sad isn't it that they continue to perpetuate the idea that to love god is to live in fear.

cicerone imposter wrote:

sunlover, There are too few of those catholic priests who later leave the church to teach "freedom/constriction from religion." It's sad isn't it that they continue to perpetuate the idea that to love god is to live in fear.

Yeah, and I learned somewhere along the road to right here that

the opposite of fear is love.

thunder32 wrote:

sunlover wrote:

Thunder, we all have to get rid of what has been placed in our heads by parents, teachers, preachers, ministers, priests and popes, etc. When a bucket is full there's no room for new clean & refreshing water. Even if someone has been taught the exact perfect answers I think our answers have to be found solely by us, through study, contemplation and then experience. Lucky are those who learn to slough off old "knowledge" from the brainwaves so there is room for the new.

How many people do that?

Everybody, I'd wish. It wasn't exactly easy for me but as a kid I was simply taught biblical scripture, no brainwashing, so was able to figure things out for myself. Ridding oneself of false knowledge (lies) I learned first in a college philosophy class (Rene Descarte), a communication course called Theories of Communication, 12-step programs, keeping a journal (writing my life, getting rid of stuff), seeing a counselor (speaking, getting rid of stuff), sneaking in the back of bookstores and reading "forbidden" great stuff from about the 1970s on, and still except that it's all out in the open now. The Unity church, the Unitarian Universalist church.

This philosophy teacher always came up with gems that I never forgot, like, 'The worst thing you can do to someone is teach them obedience.'

[So stipulated.

Y SNEAK in the BACK ?


Y not just go to the public library ?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

[So stipulated.

Y SNEAK in the BACK ?


Y not just go to the public library ?

That is funny, David. I didn't mean I sneaked through the back door, but that all the interesting books were in the back of the store. But, yes, I went to the public library, too. Some books are precious, though, I like to keep them around, read them again & again. Now, however, I pass them on to someone else.

I'd have to say there are no longer any secrets where religion, religious history, spirituality, and everything therefore connected are concerned. Folks should take advantage, as you never know when another gigantic bookburning will occur and the world controlled by religion again.