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snood
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2006 05:31 pm
Stuh:

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By the way man you need a new icon



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stuh505
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2006 05:45 pm
I made this icon years ago and I still love looking at it.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2006 07:32 pm
It is wrong to hurt children or women, unless your life is threatened.

It is wrong to take what does not belong to you, including another life, unless your life is threatened.

It is wrong to advocate or propagate pretentiousness or stupidity


I recognize such matters to be arbitrarily decided, so the only authority I need call here is my own.
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stuh505
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2006 08:15 pm
Doktor S wrote:
It is wrong to hurt children or women, unless your life is threatened.


I guess you would have them change the legal books to "womanslaughter" because men don't count.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2006 08:38 pm
It is wrong to tell people they need a new icon (sorry).
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2006 05:45 am
I need a new icon? You don't like my face? Twisted Evil


Quote:
I made this icon years ago and I still love looking at it.


My momma made mine, and I still love looking at it Smile


But on the topic,
Indeed. Anything I want is right and anything I don't want is wrong.
But that is not where morals come into play.
In deciding what I want is where morals are important. I want many things, and often they are in conflict. The ability to solve these conflicts is sometimes measured in terms of moral value.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2006 05:47 am
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It is wrong to advocate or propagate pretentiousness or stupidity


Don't be so hard on yourself dok.
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agrote
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2006 06:20 am
Cyracuz wrote:
No, that's about right.

So my answer to this question..

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Why is it wrong to make yourself suffer?


...is that it is wrong because I do not desire suffering.

But I only know that because I've known a little pain.


Okay, that sounds very sensible to me.

stuh505 wrote:
Implying that anything you desire is right, and anything you do not desire is wrong?


I don't think he means it in any objective sort of way. It's confusing when everyone uses the words right or wrong to mean different things, but it looks like Cyracuz does not mean wrong in the traditional sense of "completely forbidden".

Within a game of chess, it is reasonable to say that it is wrong to move a castle diagonally, since the game is defined by its rules, one of them being that castles can only move forwards, backwards and sideways. Cyracuz is playing the game of happiness, and within that framework it is wrong for him to go against his desires, since the fulfillment of his desires is what constitutes his happiness.

But I don't think that Cyracuz believes anything is ultimately or objectively wrong - i.e. wrong across all possible frameworks.

it looks like Curacuz means "wrong withing the framewok
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2006 06:44 am
You just about got it right agrote Smile

Morals needs a framework set up in every situation. The assigning of right and wrong must precede any moral choice. Therefore, how you define right and wrong plays a vital part in your moral verdict.

I do not see right and wrong as absolute answers, but as positions to which the elements of a specific conflict need to be assigned, enabeling moral judgement. Just as in a trial, where one assumes the role of accuser and another the role of defender. Accuser wil basically try to define the subject as bad, while defender will define it as good.

A framework. Thanks for that word agrote. I was looking for it :wink:
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agrote
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2006 06:50 am
Cyracuz wrote:
A framework. Thanks for that word agrote. I was looking for it :wink:


I stole it from somebody. J. L. Mackie I think.

agrote wrote:
it looks like Curacuz means "wrong withing the framewok


Oops. Why won't it let me edit the entry, hmm?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2006 09:35 pm
Cyracuz wrote:
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It is wrong to advocate or propagate pretentiousness or stupidity


Don't be so hard on yourself dok.

Is that what passes for comedy in the little shithole country you call home?
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2006 09:47 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Cyracuz wrote:
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It is wrong to advocate or propagate pretentiousness or stupidity


Don't be so hard on yourself dok.

Is that what passes for comedy in the little shithole country you call home?


I thought it was hilarious.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2006 11:52 pm
snood wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
Cyracuz wrote:
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It is wrong to advocate or propagate pretentiousness or stupidity


Don't be so hard on yourself dok.

Is that what passes for comedy in the little shithole country you call home?


I thought it was hilarious.

You ride my dick at every opertunity, of course you do.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Oct, 2006 04:49 am
Yep, that would be an attempt at comedy, dok. But your response to it was even funnier. Smile


Btw dok, I get the impression that you are a satanist. Is that an assumed stance here at A2K, or is it indeed the 'creed you profess'?
If it's the latter I'd be interested to hear a little about what you believe. I've only met one satanist in my life, and he wasn't very serious about it.
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stuh505
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 10:59 am
snood wrote:
Stuh:

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By the way man you need a new icon



http://www.able2know.com/forums/images/avatars/202280574643c2014c11187.gif


Ok, you got your wish.

You've got only 2 more...
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 08:21 pm
agrote wrote:
You both seem to agree that it is wrong to act selfishly.

Why is it wrong to act selfishly?

I deny that it is rong to act selfishly.
David
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2006 04:02 pm
I have no problem accepting that so long as you believe in compassion. Selfish acts can have as good effects on those touched by them as unselfish acts.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2006 06:51 pm
Sometimes;
compassion, on a voluntary basis,
depending upon my mood, at the moment.

I 'm more into hedonism, than compassion.
Its more fun
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