Politicians and Religion

. . . how do you reconcile legislating your opinions about God as if it were some truism of Nature?

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

I'm wondering why it is even legal in the USA for politicians to speak in terms of what God wants in regards to policy?

But even still, wouldn't the decision to have an abortion be something between the person having the abortion and their God?

Especially how do you reconcile legislating your opinions about God as if it were some truism of Nature?

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them

And how dare the Founding Fathers claim that the purpose of government is to protect the rights that God has given.

from http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

emphasis mine

peace wrote:

I'm wondering why it is even legal in the USA for politicians to speak in terms of what God wants in regards to policy?

Funny how some are always trying to outlaw free speech.

peace wrote:

But even still, wouldn't the decision to have an abortion be something between the person having the abortion and their God?

I suggest you check out the abortion thread, rather than sending this one in multiple directions at once.

peace wrote:

Especially how do you reconcile legislating your opinions about God as if it were some truism of Nature?

The Founding Fathers thought it was, so I'd say that you appear to be the one out of the mainstream, not the person you were listening to.

from http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

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When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them

emphasis mine

peace wrote:

. . . how do you reconcile legislating your opinions about God as if it were some truism of Nature?

I'm pretty sure that a religious person's opinion about God is a truism, at least as far as they're concerned.

In my country we have a political party called the Christian People's party. They were thge largest a few years back, and their leader, who's a priest by education, became prime minister.

How's that for not mixing politics and religion.

But if you ask me politics and religion are the same things. After all, before politics, it was religion that served as the governing power in our societies. So now that we have government politics we no longer need government religion.

real life wrote:

And how dare the Founding Fathers claim that the purpose of government is to protect the rights that God has given.

from http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

Quote:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

emphasis mine

First of all, you'll note that they say "Creator", not your word, "God". Second of all, your entire retort is based on the Declaration of Independence, which is a declaration of independence from British rule. It has nothing to do with the governance of the USA.

real life wrote:

peace wrote:

I'm wondering why it is even legal in the USA for politicians to speak in terms of what God wants in regards to policy?

Funny how some are always trying to outlaw free speech.

Some are trying to separate church and state.

real life wrote:

peace wrote:

But even still, wouldn't the decision to have an abortion be something between the person having the abortion and their God?

I suggest you check out the abortion thread, rather than sending this one in multiple directions at once.

Note I said that it was an example and that the discussion was about religion and politics. Please do try to follow the instructions.

real life wrote:

peace wrote:

Especially how do you reconcile legislating your opinions about God as if it were some truism of Nature?

The Founding Fathers thought it was, so I'd say that you appear to be the one out of the mainstream, not the person you were listening to.

from http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

Quote:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them

emphasis mine

Again with the declaration of independence. Please read the entire document. After the short, haughty preamble, It's mostly a bunch of bitching about some King. It says nothing about the government that was to follow.

Now I ask you, as you seem to have some opinions on this matter, why should non-Christians be forced to suffer Christian beliefs? What is so complicated about this question? Just tell me why anyone who is not a Christian should be forced to obey Christian rules?

Kind Regards

Sorry for the multiple posts, but thoughts fall into my head.

I just wondered, does the declaration that's being quoted here apply to all humans, or just americans?

If it applies to all humans it is a load of croc because the very people who are set to uphold it violate it every day.

If it applies to americans only, then it is a load of croc because it assumes that they are the only ones worthy, which is almost as bad as hitler's views on people.

and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,