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More Complete than Lucy

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 09:58 am
rosborne979 wrote:
timberlandko wrote:


Oh no, Timber is quoting the bible. We're doomed Smile


Funny that nobody took Mr. Timber to task for posting a flagrantly religious item. And, can he explain it's meaning?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 09:59 am
Intrepid wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
timberlandko wrote:


Oh no, Timber is quoting the bible. We're doomed Smile


And, can he explain it's meaning?


I'm sure he can make up as good a meaning for it as anyone else can.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 10:00 am
rosborne979 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
timberlandko wrote:


Oh no, Timber is quoting the bible. We're doomed Smile


And, can he explain it's meaning?


I'm sure he can make up as good a meaning for it as anyone else can.


Ah, just as making up a meaning for those things that are discovered without actually knowing what they are?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 10:09 am
Intrepid wrote:
Ah, just as making up a meaning for those things that are discovered without actually knowing what they are?


You're comparing interpretation of a vague text with interpreting physical evidence? Give me a break.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 10:27 am
rosborne979 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Ah, just as making up a meaning for those things that are discovered without actually knowing what they are?


You're comparing interpretation of a vague text with interpreting physical evidence? Give me a break.


Interpretation is interpretation. Both are vague, according to interpretation.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 10:29 am
Intrepid, thank you for exemplifying and validating the point made via my bible cite ... even though I do not expect you might understand how and why you've done so.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 12:45 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Intrepid, thank you for exemplifying and validating the point made via my bible cite ... even though I do not expect you might understand how and why you've done so.



MATT. 7:16

Ye shall know them by their fruits The Saviour gives the proper test of their character. People do not judge of a tree by its leaves, or bark, or flowers, but by the fruit which it bears. The flowers may be beautiful and fragrant, the foliage thick and green, but these are merely ornamental. It is the "fruit" that is of chief service to man; and he forms his opinion of the nature and value of the tree by that fruit. So of pretensions to religion. The profession may be fair, but the conduct -- the fruit -- is to determine the nature of the principles.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 01:07 pm
As expected, you still don't get it, Intrepid. Mat 7:17 et sec and/or commentary perinent thereto or deriving therefrom are irrelevant to the point as offered, a point the reitteration and reconfirmation of which your latest reply serves well.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 01:14 pm
Intrepid wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
timberlandko wrote:


Oh no, Timber is quoting the bible. We're doomed (emoticon removed in teh interest of good taste)


Funny that nobody took Mr. Timber to task for posting a flagrantly religious item. And, can he explain it's meaning?


He gets a pass on the basis of "fighting fire with fire."

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You're whining about my "fanaticism," and attempting to claim that you did not introduce religion into the topic. But what do you purport one is to assume you are introducing if not religion when you make a snide remark about people being desparate to believe we are descended from apes?

First of all, humans are not descended from apes, for as far as the fossil record seems to indicate--apes and humans are descended from a common ancestor. The first hint of a religious world view on your part is your reference to descent from apes, something which even a knowledgabel layman would not contend. Then your claim about people being desparate to believe something which in fact evolutionary theory does not claim.

If there is any fanaticism here, it is on your part. That's why the Big Bird's scriptural citation is so telling. If you were not expressing a religious world view, what was the point of the dull-witted remark about "descended from apes?"
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 01:39 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Intrepid, thank you for exemplifying and validating the point made via my bible cite ... even though I do not expect you might understand how and why you've done so.


You get three bonus points and an extra spin for making me LOL in the office.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 02:19 pm
Setanta wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
timberlandko wrote:


Oh no, Timber is quoting the bible. We're doomed (emoticon removed in teh interest of good taste)


Funny that nobody took Mr. Timber to task for posting a flagrantly religious item. And, can he explain it's meaning?


He gets a pass on the basis of "fighting fire with fire."

*********************************************

You're whining about my "fanaticism," and attempting to claim that you did not introduce religion into the topic. But what do you purport one is to assume you are introducing if not religion when you make a snide remark about people being desparate to believe we are descended from apes?

First of all, humans are not descended from apes, for as far as the fossil record seems to indicate--apes and humans are descended from a common ancestor. The first hint of a religious world view on your part is your reference to descent from apes, something which even a knowledgabel layman would not contend. Then your claim about people being desparate to believe something which in fact evolutionary theory does not claim.

If there is any fanaticism here, it is on your part. That's why the Big Bird's scriptural citation is so telling. If you were not expressing a religious world view, what was the point of the dull-witted remark about "descended from apes?"


To give you the opportunity to make your usual post, I suppose.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 02:20 pm
ehBeth wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
Intrepid, thank you for exemplifying and validating the point made via my bible cite ... even though I do not expect you might understand how and why you've done so.


You get three bonus points and an extra spin for making me LOL in the office.


Glad to be the subject of your amusement.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 02:30 pm
Glad you're glad.

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Astrobiology Mag

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Summary (Sep 25, 2006): 3.3 million years ago, a three year old girl died in present day Ethiopia, in an area called Dikika. Though a baby, she provides researchers with a unique account of our past. Her completeness, antiquity, and age at death combine make this find unprecedented in the history of paleoanthropology, and open many new research avenues to investigate into the infancy of early human ancestors.


Has anyone looked at the Max Planck Society release yet?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 02:31 pm
Max Planck Society press release
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 02:33 pm
Nature mag with additional links

all truly smile-making
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 02:35 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Nature mag with additional links

all truly smile-making


Perhaps you should read this, Setanta.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 02:36 pm
Setanta wrote:
If you were not expressing a religious world view, what was the point of the dull-witted remark about "descended from apes?"


Not to nit-pick or anything, but I think he said "linked to" apes, not "descended from" apes.

I still think the comment had an obvious religious implication however.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 02:38 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
Setanta wrote:
If you were not expressing a religious world view, what was the point of the dull-witted remark about "descended from apes?"


Not to nit-pick or anything, but I think he said "linked to" apes, not "descended from" apes.

I still think the comment had an obvious religious implication however.



Thank you rosborne979. Also, in retrospect, I may have subconciously alluded to this in a religious context. Force of habit. This was not, however, my intention at the time of that post.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 02:49 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Thank you rosborne979. Also, in retrospect, I may have subconciously alluded to this in a religious context. Force of habit. This was not, however, my intention at the time of that post.


Ok, fair enough. Then I guess I missed your true implication... which was?

The way I see it, there are really only two ways to look it:

1. We have the scientifically validated knowledge that we are linked to apes.

2. We don't know sh*t (which covers all forms of poofism).

If you're implying that #1 is out, then #2 is all you have left (and it looks a lot like religion).

Unless you want to offer a #3 for us to consider.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 04:44 pm
Intrepid wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
Nature mag with additional links

all truly smile-making


Perhaps you should read this, Setanta.


I did, for example, this sentence:

Quote:
The specimen reveals the child had many morphological similarities to African apes such as in the hyoid bone found in the throat.


Which makes sense--one would expect similarities in animals which are descended from a common ancestor.
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