Where was God.

Mame wrote:

I don't 'know' that he doesn't exist any more than you 'know' he does, Intrepid.

Your faith is not 'knowledge'; it's just faith and it doesn't make you right or me wrong.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Intrepid.

It is just that you were so emphatic in your response. I wasn't saying that you were wrong, or I was right.

You are right that nobody can provide proof one way or the other. We will just have to wait until the end time to see.

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Yes, I am emphatic about it, just as you are.

I have a lot more comments I could make, but out of consideration and respect for you believers, I just keep them to myself Laughing

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I still think this is an explanation that should be considered:

neologist wrote:

People tend to forget that God has not been calling the shots. As of now "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." (1 John 5:19)

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material girl wrote:

I thought the terrorists were Muslims, they dont have God as their God do they?

It's all the same God.

This one simple thing could help so much, I think -- if everyone would translate "Allah" to "God" same as they translate everything else. (As in, if someone says a long sentence in Arabic that includes their word for "God", "Allah," why not translate that word as well as everything else?)

Muslims simply believe that Mohammed was the latest prophet -- after Moses and Jesus. (Jews don't buy that Jesus was a prophet, Christians don't buy that Mohammed was a prophet.)

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Soz, I suspect not translating Allah to God was a deliberate attempt by those in the west (mostly Christians) to pretend they were talking about a different god.

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A question for the religious here that I raised in an earlier post, that I think is interesting enough to warrant an answer.

If God asks you to do something you know to be immoral (for example kill people) as a person of faith should you do it?

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ebrown_p wrote:

A question for the religious here that I raised in an earlier post, that I think is interesting enough to warrant an answer.

If God asks you to do something you know to be immoral (for example kill people) as a person of faith should you do it?

Not killing people. . .

Killing Gooks, Nips, Krauts, Infidels. . . .

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Eorl wrote:

Soz, I suspect not translating Allah to God was a deliberate attempt by those in the west (mostly Christians) to pretend they were talking about a different god.

I agree.

I wish they'd quit.

Hmm, maybe I'll try to stop using "Allah" in that context myself.

(By the way, Jews don't buy that Jesus OR Mohammed were prophets.)

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Eorl wrote:

Soz, I suspect not translating Allah to God was a deliberate attempt by those in the west (mostly Christians) to pretend they were talking about a different god.

Heinous crimes committed in "faith" have nothing to do with which "God" a person is claiming to have faith in.

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Where was God.

Which one? History provides us with so many to choose from, all as different in personality as the people that created them.
I rather think Odin might chuckle with mirth from his throne in valhalla at us foolish mortals as we destroyed ourselves. Just as long as he got to impregnate the odd mortal babe.

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The same "God" ....the cognitive virus present in the heads of the perpetrators..... was present in the heads of the priests and religious mourners after the event.

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Is there such an oddity as a God that has not 'been there .... done that'?

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Gelisgesti wrote:

Is there such an oddity as a God that has not 'been there .... done that'?

Sure, if there's an omnipotent god. It could create more gods any time it wanted to.

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hephzibah wrote:

Eorl wrote:
Soz, I suspect not translating Allah to God was a deliberate attempt by those in the west (mostly Christians) to pretend they were talking about a different god.

Heinous crimes committed in "faith" have nothing to do with which "God" a person is claiming to have faith in.

You call it a heinous crime (because you are an infidel who worships a false god and disobeys the laws the one true god sent for you to follow)....but the priests call it a wonderful and majestic gesture of love and loyalty to god that will be generously rewarded in heaven. Of this, they are absolutely certain.

The only way you can declare that THEY are wrong or bad or evil.... without hypocrisy..... is to admit that your own religion could just as easily be wrong or bad or evil, and that you have no way of knowing.

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Eorl wrote:

hephzibah wrote:
Eorl wrote:
Soz, I suspect not translating Allah to God was a deliberate attempt by those in the west (mostly Christians) to pretend they were talking about a different god.

Heinous crimes committed in "faith" have nothing to do with which "God" a person is claiming to have faith in.

You call it a heinous crime (because you are an infidel who worships a false god and disobeys the laws the one true god sent for you to follow)....but the priests call it a wonderful and majestic gesture of love and loyalty to god that will be generously rewarded in heaven. Of this, they are absolutely certain.

The only way you can declare that THEY are wrong or bad or evil.... without hypocrisy..... is to admit that your own religion could just as easily be wrong or bad or evil, and that you have no way of knowing.

Wow... please excuse me for thinking that raping and killing an 11 yr old girl is a "heinous" crime. That killing a bunch of people for no other reason than some wacked out religious leader influenced you to think that "God" wanted you to do that is heinous, or to retaliate and kill a bunch more innocent people is heinous. My bad...

No one has all the answers. Period. That is my honest belief. It's not about not looking like a hypocrite eorl, because I am one, I know it, and most of the time I'll be the first to admit it. Because guess what... I don't have all the answers either... The only difference I see between you and I is that I can admit I'm a hypocrite sometimes and I don't have all the answers. Can you?

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No I can't.

Good answer Hep!

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Really? Rut ro...

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Sure !

I think you are very honest and you appreciate that you don't have all the answers.

It's religious certainty that bothers me the most - (I see it as the cause of most of the suffering humans cause each other), and your response shows that you aren't too badly infected with that particular virus.

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Eorl wrote:

Sure !

I think you are very honest and you appreciate that you don't have all the answers.

It's religious certainty that bothers me the most - (I see it as the cause of most of the suffering humans cause each other), and your response shows that you aren't too badly infected with that particular virus.

Thanks eorl. Smile

I think we may have finally found something we agree on here! Whooo hoooo!

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I have no idea if God exists, but I like to think there is something bigger and smarter than us, and doling out justice somewhere in the universe.

If the author of this thread is still around, I suggest she read Harold Kushner's book "When Bad Things Happen To Good People", it's a very thought provoking book about God and his perceived influence in the world.

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