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The Court Jester - deleted scene

 
 
Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 01:32 am
I saw the Danny Kaye movie, "The Court Jester" at a cinema back in 1980. I recently saw it again on DVD. I am sure there is a scene missing, but I am trying to identify exactly what has been deleted. I remember a torture scene which at the time I thought was inappropriate for a comedy. This scene is not on the DVD. Is my memory playing tricks on me? Does anyone know this movie well enough to confirm that the theater version had such a scene? I have found transcripts on the Net but they all seem to be taken from the DVD.

By the way, if you haven't seen the movie, you should. It's classic.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 08:09 am
I remember the movie. I think I saw it twice, once on the big screen and then on a TV broadcast. I don't remember a torture chamber scene, frankly. But it's been years.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 08:34 am
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The story (set in a mediaeval England which cheerfully makes no attempt at historical accuracy) is remarkably solid and complex, which helps maintain the film's brisk pace. In the theatrical version that I saw many years ago there was a rather gruesome torture scene which I felt was out of place. In the DVD version that scene is omitted. That leaves a hole in the plot (you may be puzzled as to why a significant character simply disappears half way through) but it's probably just as well - no sense in giving the kids nightmares.


http://www.rxpgonline.com/B00004CM0Z.isbn

highlyoriginal- Apparently, someone else saw the same scene that you did.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 04:12 pm
Probably just a case of selective memory on my part. I must be blocking recall of an unpleasant scene. What I remember best is the "chalice from the palace" double-talk before the swordfight. To this day I find myself occasionally referring to "the flagon with the dragon."
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 05:17 pm
The DVD version you must have bought I suppose is a generic label. The DVD I have has the torture scene but it's played as satirical black comedy and isn't really all that gruesome. Certainly not the way we've all been desensitized these days! The film was produced in Britain for Paramount.
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highlyoriginal
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 06:59 pm
Thanks, Lightwizard.

No, you're right, it's not gruesome by today's standards; I just felt, at the time, that it was not appropriate for a family movie. I mentioned it in my Amazon review. Amazon have just decided to 'spotlight' the review and now I am getting emails from people asking me to name the character concerned. As it's 36 years since I saw the theatrical release, it's a struggle to remember details! I believe it was Fergus the Ostler who was done to death. Having read your message, I'll rent the DVD again. It might be a different version.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 07:40 pm
Los Angeles, huh! I was going up to your area to visit Forry Ackerman (Mr. Sci-Fi) at the AckerMansion sometime soon.

http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/09/73/60/55/0009736055127_500X500.jpg

Is this the cover of the DVD you rented? There have been some cheaper generic releases but I don't know if they were wide screen. One of the few, or maybe the only, Danny Kaye movie in anamorphic 1.85:1.

There is also a British, Canadian and French DVD (of course, the French version is in that language). I'm not sure if the producers or the director of the film ever meant it to be a "family film."
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 07:43 pm
BTW, welcome to A2K and the film forum, highlyoriginal! Very Happy
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highlyoriginal
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 09:01 pm
Thanks for the welcome!

That DVD is the one stocked by Netflix so that is the one I shall rent. I'm not sure if it's the one I saw before.

The changing attitude to violence in movies is interesting. In the 50s and 60s we watched Westerns in which cowboys killed Indians in a casual fashion that seemed unexceptional then but would be grossly distasteful to most people now. Yet there was little blood and no gore. Now kids watch the most dreadful gorefests on TV, let alone at the movies, and few people seem to mind much. The Court Jester exemplifies the attitude of the times; no graphic violence, but a casual attitude to killing. In an early scene, a soldier is killed with an arrow (which might just as easily have been shot into a tree) and the audience would have found it exciting and in no way disturbing. It was the same in war movies; the enemy were portrayed as targets to be shot down. Today's violence is usually more personal and up-close.

Probably I am ultra-sensitive to violence. I suppose those people that wrote to me about my review will be disappointed to learn that the 'gruesome' torture scene did not involve any graphic mutilation. One thing's for sure, my review has roused a lot of curiosity so I now feel obliged to come up with a complete account of what different versions have been released. Your info is a useful start. Thanks again.

And remember, Ackerman will be 100 in a couple of months. Better visit him soon!
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 07:05 am
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highlyoriginal
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 09:00 pm
Oh yes, you're right. He'll be a mere 90. I must get into the habit of checking my sources before I post.
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