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conscientious ranting

 
 
Cyracuz
 
Reply Thu 13 Jul, 2006 02:22 pm
Let's talk about fog. Or, as is one of the benefit of this medium, I'll talk, and you'll listen. Let us center our minds now, on the aspects of our identity that lie in obscuring shade. The funky smells we don't let ourselves detect, the irritating buzz we pretend to not hear. All metaphorically speaking, though. We are all soap cented clean, and we have long since forsaken silence. Herein lies the problem.

We nest, here, upon our tower of souls, where the foul things are supressed to a minimum, for comfortable denial. Denial of the harsh truth. We do not know ourselves. We are chaos. And outward the glistening facade is playing the rock, showing ease, showing wisdom. A shell, this facade is, a forcefield sealing the world off from the black holes that our unsearched souls really are. An our souls remain unsearched, because they are contained within this field, never being alowed to freely reflect themselves, because we see ourselves from the outside.

Any and all reflection is strictly policed. By religion. By dogma and tradition, and more recently fashion. Our consumer habits, and the way they are encouraged by even greater consumers is real confirmation. There is an easy, prefabricated answer on offer for every concievable question. It's almost as if we have given up on the goal of stilling our hunger, and settled for satiation. The modern meaning of the word identity has become the mix of brands you're wearing, the car you're driving and how you earned the money to buy it. We replace it as often as we can. Get the newest model. Why?

There is an easy answer why. Idle time. In idle moments we might come to think about the black hole that's pulling at us. About all the things that are bothering us. Irritations we live with, suppress and battle against. It is a battle no one can win, so we escape the field, and bury ourselves under dousins of fabricated needs that require satisfying. Then we tell ourselves that is why we're here. To live forever with stuffed bellies and hungry mouths. Satiation is the compromise.

One of many compromises, come to think of it. Another is the various agendas on the global political stage. We seem torn between two conflicting driving forces, needing the boost of both, but struggling with their inevitable conflict every day. The paradox is that without the harsh and unjust trade laws that send most of the profit our way, we would not be able to police the world and maintain the fragile peace that is near breaking many places across the globe. Our good deeds are funded by our bad deeds. Our good deeds are needed because of our bad deeds. So instead of peace we go for eternal truce, continously bargained for. But who can bargain with such leverage? So we meet again, said the hammer to the anvil...

Then there's the careful and onerous trivialization and disarming of the facts, that we all hide behind. It is conducted with great skill and care, this process, and the aim is to justify our conduct, our turning want to need so recklessly. Feeding the void, delaying the inevitable confrontation with the big black holes in the deepest cores of our personalities. In truth it is not a hole at all, and certainly not black. It's more like uncharted territory. Wisdom carried through the generations unheeded, and now, because of satiation, unsought.
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fresco
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 12:45 pm
Hmmm....an interesting stylistic departure. Smile

Have you read Gurdjieff ? This sounds somewhat like his description of "ordinary man" who essentially "asleep" most of the time and is run by a committee of disjointed "little me's". There are also aspects of Krishnamurti's ideas on "conditioning".
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coberst
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 04:47 am
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 08:55 am
No fresco, I haven't read Gurdjieff. But I may have been exposed to his ideas indirectly.

Incidentally, I am working on a story of sorts under the title of 'diaries of a sleepwalker'. The idea is an attempt to clarify the border between reality and fantasy. This is all for my own benefit, and not not spurred by further ambition. I just like to rant. Smile

Anyway, the exact point where fantasy and reality merge is not easy to find, and I suspect that this border is one continously crossed and very ill-defined. Maybe just another dualitic notion?
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fresco
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 04:47 pm
G.I. Gurdjieff wrote

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In order to understand what the difference between states of consciousness is, let us consider the state of sleep. This is an entirely subjective state of consciousness.

A man is immersed in dreams, whether he remembers them or not, does not matter. Even if some real impression reach him, such as sounds, voices, warmth, cold, etc., they arouse in him only subjective images.

Then a man wakes up. At first glance, this is a completely new and different state of consciousness. He can move, talk with other people, he can make calculations ahead, he can see danger and avoid it, and so on. It stands to reason that he is now in a better position than when he was asleep.

But if we go a little more deeply into things, if we take a look into his inner world, into his thoughts, into the causes of his actions, we shall see that he is almost in the same state as when he is asleep.

And it is even worse, because in sleep he is passive, but in the waking state he can do something and the results of his actions will be reflected upon him and upon those around him. And yet he does not remember himself.

He is a machine, everything with him happens. He cannot stop the flow of his thoughts, he cannot focus the flow of his thoughts, he cannot control his imagination, his emotions, his attention.

He lives in a subjective world of "I love", "I do not love", "I like", "I do not like", "I want", "I do not want", that is, of what he thinks he likes, of what he thinks he does not like, of what he thinks he wants, of what he thinks he does not want. He does not see the real world.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 09:53 pm
Quote:
Michael: I don't know anyone who could get through the day without two or three juicy rationalizations. They're more important than sex.

Sam Weber: Ah, come on. Nothing's more important than sex.

Michael: Oh yeah? Ever gone a week without a rationalization?

The Big Chill

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"Life is something that should not have been."

Schopenhauer

Life is too overwhelming for most of us, except for saints and madman. We flee to the shadows and peek out now and again.

and Gurdjieff was considered a saint by some and madman by others.

Hiyah Fresco!

Sounds like its time to go back and read Beelzebub once more, eh?
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fresco
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 12:18 am
kuvasz,

Nice to hear from you ! There are occasions on A2K that a mention of G looks viable. Many times, as you well know, its like shouting into the wind !
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 02:26 am
fresco wrote:
kuvasz,

Nice to hear from you ! There are occasions on A2K that a mention of G looks viable. Many times, as you well know, its like shouting into the wind !
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 09:28 am
Thanks for the intro to Gurdijeff. I haven't heard of him before... Smile


kurvasz wrote:
I was serious about how we all hide in the shadows, and peek out onto a world that scares and bewilders us. Gurdjieff was speaking of an integration of self and of honesty that Jesus was speaking about too.


It seems to me that all our famous wise men through the ages were pretty much speaking about the same things.
Maybe the only difference between Jesus and the Buddha, for instance, is the worlds they lived in. Jesus would have used phrases, angles and logic patterns compatible with his age and the ways of his people. So would the Buddha have done in his time, and since the message is reflected through the culture the wise man lived in, it is possible that the figures that our conflicting religions were founded on were all conveying the same message.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 12:14 pm
Cyracuz wrote:
It seems to me that all our famous wise men through the ages were pretty much speaking about the same things. Maybe the only difference between Jesus and the Buddha, for instance, is the worlds they lived in. Jesus would have used phrases, angles and logic patterns compatible with his age and the ways of his people. So would the Buddha have done in his time, and since the message is reflected through the culture the wise man lived in, it is possible that the figures that our conflicting religions were founded on were all conveying the same message.


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"Truth has many aspects. Infinite truth has infinite expressions. Though the sages speak in diverse ways, they express one and the same Truth. The ignorant say, "What I believe is true; others are wrong." It is because of this attitude of the ignorant that there have been doubts and misunderstandings about God. It is this attitude that causes dispute among men. But all doubts vanish when one masters the self and finds peace by realizing the heart of Truth. Thereupon dispute, too, is at an end."

Hinduism, Srimad Bhagavatam 11.15


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"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

Jesus, Gospel of Thomas
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