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WildClickers #72: Green, the color of life

 
 
Stradee
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 05:43 pm
Laughing

That'll teach ya all to shop at WalMart!

Not much religious discussion happening where i live, mainly because i refuse talking religion or politics with anyone from the neighborhood- especially when i receive pamplets tucked in the screen door that read "Are You Ready For His Return"? <whos> Just for fun though, when they ask what church you attend, tell um' your an gnostic and see what happens. Be prepared to either receive a blank look, or a gasp of horror. Be careful though, ya don't want some bible thumpin' elderly Baptist dropping dead from a heart attack espeically in the parking lot! God, what a traffic jam that would cause!

my bad Very Happy
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:15 pm
Yup, my log in name has been lost many times, and critical error messages. Time for the new version of a2k to be rolled out, bugs and all.

Danon, understand completely about the Bible belt thing. South Carolina wwas worse than North Carolina, but not by much. I got rid of some people coming around to discuss religion and their church by telling them that I was a Druid. The woman smiled, the man looked at me blankly.

So how is Patti doing and what is next?

Will post some of my usual stuff if the hamsters let me. If it takes too long to load pages, then I won't.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:16 pm
http://www.livescience.com/environment/060626_court_greenhouse.html

Supreme Court Wades into Greenhouse Gas Debate

By H. Josef Hebert
Associated Press
posted: 26 June 2006
05:50 pm ET


WASHINGTON (AP)?-The Supreme Court plunged on Monday into the acrimonious debate over global warming and whether the government should regulate "greenhouse'' gases, especially carbon dioxide from cars. The ruling could be one of the court's most important ever on the environment.
Spurred by states in a pollution battle with the Bush administration, the court said it would decide whether the Environmental Protection Agency is required under the federal clean air law to treat carbon dioxide from automobiles as a pollutant harmful to health.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:19 pm
http://images.livescience.com/images/060626_coral_A_01.jpg

http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/060626_coral_photos.html

Surprising Beauty Discovered on Pacific Seafloor off Washington

By LiveScience Staff

posted: 26 June 2006
07:02 pm ET


When you think of bright coral and colorful fish, you might conjure images of Hawaii or the Caribbean. If so, a newfound bed of deep-sea corals and other animal life found off the coast of Washington state will likely surprise you.

Researchers said an earlier survey had led them to suspect they might find a rich, unexplored ecosystem in the Olympic Coast National Marine Sanctuary. Today the NOAA-led project released several photographs returned by a remotely operated vehicle from 300 to 2,000 feet down. Among the most dramatic:

A red gorgonian coral branch supporting attachments of a whitish basket star, crinoids and several shark egg cases [Image].
A brightly-colored sharpchin rockfish, possibly pregnant, resting next to a gorgonian soft coral tentatively identified as a Paragorgia species [Image].
An incredibly delicate-looking, lone gorgonian soft coral tentatively identified as an Umbellula species [Image].
Bright orange rosethorn and redbanded rockfish adjacent to the reef-building coral Lophelia pertusa and a giant cup coral [Image].
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:31 pm
Finally got back in through the front door.

And for a somewhat contrarian point of view:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062701646.html?referrer=email&referrer=email

An Outdated Ban
It's time to allow more offshore drilling.

Wednesday, June 28, 2006; A24



FOR THE PAST quarter of a century, the federal government has banned oil and gas drilling in most U.S. coastal waters. Efforts to relax the ban have been repelled on environmental grounds, but it is time to revisit this policy. Canada and Norway, two countries that care about the environment, have allowed offshore drilling for years and do not regret it. Offshore oil rigs in the western Gulf of Mexico, one of the exceptions to the ban imposed by Congress, endured Hurricane Katrina without spills. The industry's safety record is impressive, and it's even possible that the drilling ban increases the danger of oil spills in coastal waters: Less local drilling means more incoming traffic from oil tankers, which by some reckonings are riskier. Although balancing energy needs with the environment is always hard, the prohibition on offshore extraction cannot be justified.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:34 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062701757.html?referrer=email&referrer=email

Pollution in Overdrive
New Report Cites U.S. Motorists For Production of Greenhouse Gases

By Sholnn Freeman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 28, 2006; D01



When it comes to greenhouse gases, U.S. drivers are getting more of the blame.

Americans represent 5 percent of the world's population but contribute 45 percent of the world's emission of carbon dioxide, the main pollutant that causes global warming, according to a report by the nonprofit group Environmental Defense.

Americans own 30 percent of the world's vehicles, drive farther each year than the international average and burn more fuel per mile, the report says. Additionally, the sport-utility boom of the past decade put vehicles on the road that could be spewing carbon dioxide for years to come.

General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. have long been the targets of environmentalists and other groups concerned with global warming. Vehicles made by GM, the No. 1 U.S. automaker, produced as much carbon dioxide in 2004 as American Electric Power Co., the nation's largest operator of coal-fired power plants, the report says.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:46 pm
This is fascinating. I dare everyone to read it all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/27/science/earth/27cool.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

June 27, 2006

The Energy Challenge | Exotic Visions

How to Cool a Planet (Maybe)

By WILLIAM J. BROAD

In the past few decades, a handful of scientists have come up with big, futuristic ways to fight global warming: Build sunshades in orbit to cool the planet. Tinker with clouds to make them reflect more sunlight back into space. Trick oceans into soaking up more heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

Their proposals were relegated to the fringes of climate science. Few journals would publish them. Few government agencies would pay for feasibility studies. Environmentalists and mainstream scientists said the focus should be on reducing greenhouse gases and preventing global warming in the first place.

But now, in a major reversal, some of the world's most prominent scientists say the proposals deserve a serious look because of growing concerns about global warming.

Worried about a potential planetary crisis, these leaders are calling on governments and scientific groups to study exotic ways to reduce global warming, seeing them as possible fallback positions if the planet eventually needs a dose of emergency cooling.

"We should treat these ideas like any other research and get into the mind-set of taking them seriously," said Ralph J. Cicerone, president of the National Academy of Sciences in Washington.

The plans and proposed studies are part of a controversial field known as geoengineering, which means rearranging the earth's environment on a large scale to suit human needs and promote habitability. Dr. Cicerone, an atmospheric chemist, will detail his arguments in favor of geoengineering studies in the August issue of the journal Climatic Change.

Practicing what he preaches, Dr. Cicerone is also encouraging leading scientists to join the geoengineering fray. In April, at his invitation, Roger P. Angel, a noted astronomer at the University of Arizona, spoke at the academy's annual meeting. Dr. Angel outlined a plan to put into orbit small lenses that would bend sunlight away from earth ?- trillions of lenses, he now calculates, each about two feet wide, extraordinarily thin and weighing little more than a butterfly.

In addition, Dr. Cicerone recently joined a bitter dispute over whether a Nobel laureate's geoengineering ideas should be aired, and he helped get them accepted for publication. The laureate, Paul J. Crutzen of the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry in Germany, is a star of atmospheric science who won his Nobel in 1995 for showing how industrial gases damage the earth's ozone shield. His paper newly examines the risks and benefits of trying to cool the planet by injecting sulfur into the stratosphere.

The paper "should not be taken as a license to go out and pollute," Dr. Cicerone said in an interview, emphasizing that most scientists thought curbing greenhouse gases should be the top priority. But he added, "In my opinion, he's written a brilliant paper."

Geoengineering is no magic bullet, Dr. Cicerone said. But done correctly, he added, it will act like an insurance policy if the world one day faces a crisis of overheating, with repercussions like melting icecaps, droughts, famines, rising sea levels and coastal flooding.

"A lot of us have been saying we don't like the idea" of geoengineering, he said. But he added, "We need to think about it" and learn, among other things, how to distinguish sound proposals from ones that are ineffectual or dangerous.

Many scientists still deride geoengineering as an irresponsible dream with more risks and potential bad side effects than benefits; they call its extreme remedies a good reason to redouble efforts at reducing heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide. And skeptics of human-induced global warming dismiss geoengineering as a costly effort to battle a mirage.

Even so, many analysts say the prominence of its new advocates is giving the field greater visibility and credibility and adding to the likelihood that global leaders may one day consider taking such emergency steps.

"People used to say, 'Shut up, the world isn't ready for this,' " said Wallace S. Broecker, a geoengineering pioneer at Columbia. "Maybe the world has changed."

Michael C. MacCracken, chief scientist of the Climate Institute, a private research group in Washington, said he was resigned to the need to take geoengineering seriously.

"It's really too bad," Dr. MacCracken said, "that the United States and the world cannot do much more so that it's not necessary to consider getting addicted to one of these approaches."

Martin A. Apple, president of the Council of Scientific Society Presidents, said of geoengineering at a recent meeting in Washington, "Let's talk about research funding with enough zeroes on it so we can make a dent."

The study of futuristic countermeasures began quietly in the 1960's, as scientists theorized that global warming caused by human-generated emissions might one day pose a serious threat. But little happened until the 1980's, when global temperatures started to rise.

Some scientists noted that the earth reflected about 30 percent of incoming sunlight back into space and absorbed the rest. Slight increases of reflectivity, they reasoned, could easily counteract heat-trapping gases, thereby cooling the planet.

Dr. Broecker of Columbia proposed doing so by lacing the stratosphere with tons of sulfur dioxide, as erupting volcanoes occasionally do. The injections, he calculated in the 80's, would require a fleet of hundreds of jumbo jets and, as a byproduct, would increase acid rain.

By 1997, such futuristic visions found a prominent advocate in Edward Teller, a main inventor of the hydrogen bomb. "Injecting sunlight-scattering particles into the stratosphere appears to be a promising approach," Dr. Teller wrote in The Wall Street Journal. "Why not do that?"

But government agencies usually balked at paying researchers to study such far-out ideas, and even ones that were more down to earth. John Latham, an atmospheric physicist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado, told how he and his colleagues had unsuccessfully sought for many years to test whether spraying saltwater mists into low ocean clouds might increase their reflectivity.

"We haven't found a way in," Dr. Latham said of government financing. "It's been a bit dispiriting."

Other plans called for reflective films to be laid over deserts or white plastic islands to be floated on the world's oceans, both as ways to reflect more sunlight into space.

Another idea was to fertilize the sea with iron, creating vast blooms of plants that would gulp down tons of carbon dioxide and, as the plants died, drag the carbon into the abyss.

The general reaction to such ideas, said Alvia Gaskill, president of Environmental Reference Materials Inc., a consulting firm in North Carolina that advocates geoengineering, "has been dismissive and sometimes frightened ?- afraid that we don't know what the consequences will be of making large-scale changes to the environment."

Dr. Gaskill said small experiments would let researchers quickly pull the plug if such tinkering started to go awry.

Critics of geoengineering argued that it made more sense to avoid global warming than to gamble on risky fixes. They called for reducing energy use, developing alternative sources of power and curbing greenhouse gases.

But international efforts like the Kyoto Protocol ?- which the United States never ratified, and which China and India as members of the developing world never had to obey, freeing the current and projected leaders in greenhouse gas emissions from its restrictions ?- have so far failed to diminish the threat. Scientists estimate that the earth's surface temperature this century may rise as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit.

Geoengineering's advocates say humankind is already vastly altering the global environment and simply needs to do so more intelligently.

Dr. Angel, the University of Arizona astronomer, told members of the science academy of his idea for an orbital sunshade, calling the proposal less important than the goal of encouraging bold thought.

"This could engage a whole generation," he said in an interview. "All I'm saying is, let's start thinking about these kinds of things in case we need them one day." Such visionary plans are still far from winning universal acclaim. James E. Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, who attended the talk and strongly advocates curbing emissions, belittled the orbital sunshade as "incredibly difficult and impractical."

Dr. Crutzen, the Nobel laureate from the Max Planck Institute, has also drawn fire for his paper about injecting sulfur into the stratosphere. "There was a passionate outcry by several prominent scientists claiming that it is irresponsible," recalled Mark G. Lawrence, an American scientist who is also at the institute.

The stratospheric plan called for fighting one kind of pollution (excess greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide) with another (sulfur dioxide), though it appeared that any increase in sulfur at the earth's surface would be small compared with the tons already being emitted from the smokestacks of coal-fueled plants.

Dr. Cicerone of the science academy helped broker a compromise: Dr. Crutzen's paper would be published, but with several commentaries, including his own. They will appear in the August issue of Climatic Change. The other authors are Dr. Lawrence of the German chemistry institute, Dr. MacCracken of the Climate Institute, Jeffrey T. Kiehl of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and Lennart Bengtsson of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Germany.

In a draft of his paper, Dr. Crutzen estimates the annual cost of his sulfur proposal at up to $50 billion, or about 5 percent of the world's annual military spending.

"Climatic engineering, such as presented here, is the only option available to rapidly reduce temperature rises" if international efforts fail to curb greenhouse gases, Dr. Crutzen wrote.

"So far," he added, "there is little reason to be optimistic."
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:49 pm
And before I sign off for the night, this one is also great reading, and I hope you all do read it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/26/AR2006062601237_pf.html

Earth's Climate Warming Abruptly, Scientist Says
Tropical-Zone Glaciers May Be at Risk of Melting

By Doug Struck
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 27, 2006; A03

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Earth's climate is undergoing an abrupt change, ending a cooler period that began with a swift "cold snap" in the tropics 5,200 years ago that coincided with the start of cities, the beginning of calendars and the biblical great flood, a leading expert on glaciers has concluded.

The warming around Earth's tropical belt is a signal suggesting that the "climate system has exceeded a critical threshold," which has sent tropical-zone glaciers in full retreat and will melt them completely "in the near future," said Lonnie G. Thompson, a scientist who for 23 years has been taking core samples from the ancient ice of glaciers.

Thompson, writing with eight other researchers in an article published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, said the ice samples show that the climate can and did cool quickly, and that a similarly abrupt warming change started about 50 years ago. Humans may not have the luxury of adapting to slow changes, he suggests.

"There are thresholds in the system," Thompson said in an interview in his lab at Ohio State University. When they are crossed, "there is the risk of changing the world as we know it to some form in which a lot of people on the planet will be put at risk."

"I think the temperature will continue to rise, the glaciers will continue to melt. Sea levels will continue to rise. I think there is a good indication now that the magnitude of severe storms will rise," he said.

Thompson's work summarizes evidence from around the world and ice core sampling from seven locations in the South American Andes and the Asian Himalayas. It considerably extends the reach of a growing number of scientific findings documenting the historically unusual warming of Earth. A top scientific panel last week endorsed an earlier study, by Penn State professor Michael E. Mann, that concluded the recent warming in the Northern Hemisphere is of a scale probably unseen for 400 to 1,000 years.

Thompson, whose research has focused on glaciers in the high mountains of the tropics, writes that the warming there "is unprecedented for at least two millennia." He teamed with his wife, Ellen Mosley-Thompson, an expert in polar ice sampling, and concluded that the glacial retreat "signals a recent and abrupt change in the Earth's climate system."

Caspar Amman, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., said Thompson's "perspective of the changes over the past 2,000 years is striking. Something is definitely different towards the end of the 20th century."

But the finding likely to cause the most debate is Thompson's conclusion that a swift and sudden cooling of the climate five millennia ago occurred simultaneously with key changes in civilizations.

"It represents a time where, for many parts of the world, people ceased to be hunters and gatherers and formed cities," he said. "Many of the modern calendars began around this time. It would also fall in the general time frame of the biblical flood."

Thompson said he does not know what caused the abrupt change -- one possibility is a "mega La Ni?a" shift in upper air currents. But he said the evidence from such diverse sources as Mount Kilimanjaro; African lakes; Greenland and Antarctic ice cores; the Andes and the Alps point to a sudden arrival of cool and often wet conditions, all about the same time.

That time saw cities form in the Nile Valley and Mesopotamia, his paper says, and the end of a humid period in Africa that "seems to have begun and ended abruptly, within decades to a century." In what is now Florida, water levels rose rapidly. In Washington state, glaciers covered whole trees. In the Alps, a mortally wounded hunter nicknamed Otzi was buried quickly by snow and captured within a growing glacier until it melted enough to expose him in 1991.

Theories linking climate change with changes in the history of humans are increasingly popular. The book "The Winds of Change" by Eugene Linden argues that climate shifts accompanied the fall of many civilizations.

Gavin Schmidt, a scientist at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, applauded Thompson's work but said his conclusions about events 5,200 years ago have many skeptics.

"You would have to put that argument as more intriguing rather than definitive," Schmidt said. "There are a number of issues in the tropical ice cores that are problematic for dating things 4,000 to 5,000 years ago."

Thompson and other scientists typically drill down to layers of glaciers put down by snow thousands of years ago. The air bubbles caught in those cores are analyzed to determine the atmosphere at the time. Sediment, insects and pollen are further clues to the climate in ancient history.
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danon5
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 09:25 pm
Stradee and sumac,

My my my, big chuckles and lol.

The best I could think of when living in Seattle, WA and being deluged with visiting missionaries was to chalk the outline of a body on the walk to the front door and spread some religious pamphlets around it. That actually worked.

Patti was much better and more subtle than me - she - when asked, "Do you know Jesus?" responded with, "Yes, Do you know Buddah?" They always ran screaming from the yard.

My favorite is when we were invited to a dinner with friends here in Atlanta. Patti was talking to a lady about something and mentioned Yoga - the lady said, "That ain't Christian." I said, "Neither was Jesus." I don't really know if she got it.

Or the time when I said to a man on the subject of differences in people - "Would you read the Jewish Torah or the Pentateuch?" He said, "Well, no, I don't think I would." I said, "Do you read the Old Testament?" He said, "Of course, it's the Bible."

sumac,
Love the Druid comment.............big grin
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ul
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 07:11 am
Thanks for the articles, Sumac. Now I have time to read, but A2K and the hamsters are slooow and unwilling.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 08:31 am
Good news from the Union of Concerned Scientists:

"Since March, I've been writing to you about efforts in congress to kill the Cape Wind project?-a 130-turbine wind farm proposed for federal waters in Nantucket Sound. I'm happy to report that this critical clean energy facility has been protected and will proceed with the ongoing regulatory process! Thank you for your efforts to save the nation's first proposed offshore wind farm. UCS activists sent over 48,000 letters to their senators and representatives in support of Cape Wind.

If built, this source of clean, renewable energy will be the first of its kind in the United States. In March, a last-minute, special interest provision was added to the Coast Guard bill that would have given the Governor of Massachusetts?-an outspoken opponent of Cape Wind?-the arbitrary authority to veto it.

Thankfully, new language has now been accepted to this bill that will allow Cape Wind to proceed while the Coast Guard retains the authority to ensure that the turbines pose no threat to navigation. This is a great victory for America's efforts to develop new clean energy sources that do not deplete our natural resources or destroy our environment"
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danon5
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 03:07 pm
It's Good Friday - but, as I recall, all Fridays are good Fridays....

Tomorrow is Canada Day - - - Happy Canada Day ehBeth.

clicked
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 03:13 pm
Yes, I saw that on my calendar (see, ehBeth; we yanks are informed about Canada Day). By the way, during the Stanley Cup hockey playoffs, a female engingeering student from one of the colleges around here sang both, and her rendition of "Oh, Canada" was outstanding. Her voice was just alto enough to carry off both national anthems.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 03:15 pm
Also by the way,. my calendar does not show an Australian Day, a British Day, or a Mexican Day. Just Canadian. Oh, Canada.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 07:04 pm
We used to call it Dominion Day ... click

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http://www.pch.gc.ca/special/canada/images/07.jpg

This is my buddy, who occasionally posts here as Brendalee (when she can remember her password and she's not busy becoming a grandmother again), at last year's Canada Day Parade in my neighbourhood ...



http://static.flickr.com/68/178721341_066e35f3a7_m.jpg

and a couple of the neighbours who we hang out with Very Happy at parade time

http://static.flickr.com/21/24807120_4c263e17fc_m.jpg
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 07:08 pm
aktbird57 - You and your 298 friends have supported 2,451,454.4 square feet!
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danon5
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 09:21 pm
That's great ehBeth - - - 2,451,454.4 square feet! = 56.8 acres !!!

Way to click Wildclickers!!

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 05:47 am
Thanks for the conversion, danon.

I wasn't sure my 'allotted' A2K time would allow me to add that fillip, so Thank You!
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danon5
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 08:24 am
"Ongee Dongee Kikoway" - ("any time, my pleasure" in Korean)

Either that or - "Ongee Dongee Kegoray" - ("any time, frog.")

I always get the two sentences mixed up. Shocked Very Happy
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ul
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 08:54 am
Transatlantic Party time-

Happy Canada Day to ehBeth!

The US is following with 4th of July.


WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD

(George Weiss / Bob Thiele)

I see trees of green, red roses too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world

I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world

The colours of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces of people going by
I see friends shakin' hands, sayin' "How do you do?"
They're really saying "I love you"

I hear babies cryin', I watch them grow
They'll learn much more than I'll ever know
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
Yes, I think to myself, what a wonderful world

Oh yeah
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