Momma Angel wrote:Doktor S,
Predestined means God made the choice. I believe it is the Calvinists that believe that God has chosen certain people to go to heaven and certain people to go to hell. I don't believe that at all. God allows us to make our own choices. God knows what those choices are but He lets us make them.
No, no it doesn't.
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pre·des·tine ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-dstn)
tr.v. pre·des·tined, pre·des·tin·ing, pre·des·tines
1. To fix upon, decide, or decree in advance; foreordain.
2. Theology. To foreordain or elect by divine will or decree.
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fore·or·dain ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fôrôr-dn, fr-)
tr.v. fore·or·dained, fore·or·dain·ing, fore·or·dains
To determine or appoint beforehand; predestine.
How in the world could your putative deity know the future without first determining or foreordaining. Since all 'choice' is known beforehand, it is only the illusion of choice. It was always going to fold out a certain way...if not your god couldn't have known.
It's that simple.
see a ton of things wrong with that:
1. it was often the costum in those days to follow some pihlospher, teacher,or to become an aprestise of some job, so this wants that miraclous
The miraculous was that He is the Son of God. He was without sin.
2.The disicples didnt know it was jesus the messiah until much later as the bible says. So its not like they just looked at him, and said "howd god, sure ill come along"
This is true, but they came to know who He was.
3. this proves perdestination, god knew they would say yes, or else he wont ask them, and he picked the perfect ppl for the job, proving predestianation.
No, this does not prove predestination IMO. What it proves is that God knows all things but He does not make all things happen. You and I may have a slightly different understanding of the word predestination. Like I said, Calvinists believe that God chose certain people for heaven and certain people for hell.
4.these ppl were fisherman, boring and the pay wasnt to good, plus they were called thunder brothers in the bible, meaning they fought alot with each other and father while fisherman, prehaspse a dispute arose and when jesus came it seamed like a way to get away.
I'm sorry, but this made me giggle. C'mon! It seems some will say anything to refute Christ in one way or another. That's just my opinion, mind you.
5. using the just get up and go without knowing what your getting into seems like a cults dream, also very inconsioderate to just walk away from everyone who loves you to follow a stranger, if you did that today it would seem like kidnaping.
Inconsiderate?
6. it cant be free will b/c they instantly obeyed, god must have controled them somehow, or he went all over trying to find ppl and the bible only records those who did follow to make it more intresting
It can't be free will because they instantly obeyed? I'm sorry, but that just makes no sense at all to me.
7.isnt jesus also taking advantage of the verse,"sweept away by every wave of teaching" they were to stupid to think form them sleves and jesus just "sweept" them away.
Jesus does not take advantage of anyone or anything. They were just too stupid to think for themselves? I can't believe you even posted that.
