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Do creationists fear evolution or do they fear science?

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peace
 
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Reply Fri 12 May, 2006 09:27 pm
Creationists are just old school. Evolution as a theory has been around for about, say, 120 years. Creationism has been around since, well... don't make me say it Wink. There is going to be a brief period of adjustment.

What is driving the current frenzy of creationists is that Karl Rove found that they are a politically cohesive group that is easily manipulated and so has fanned their flame for political gain. Thats the real drive behind all this creationism nonsense. Now the creationists feel "empowered" and are looking to "do something". There fate is tied to their being a rightwing administration that finds their votes useful. Not that they don't believe this stuff but people believe all sorts of weird things. They just don't vote in blocks so we don;t see them on the national stage.

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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 12 May, 2006 09:46 pm
peace wrote:
What is driving the current frenzy of creationists is that Karl Rove found that they are a politically cohesive group that is easily manipulated and so has fanned their flame for political gain. Thats the real drive behind all this creationism nonsense.


Welcome to A2K. You suggest an interesting perspective. And I think there's some truth to it, but can you give some specific examples of how Karl Rove fanned their flames?

Thanks,
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Sat 13 May, 2006 06:14 am
peace wrote:
Creationists are just old school. Evolution as a theory has been around for about, say, 120 years.


Even longer if you count the views of the Hindus and Buddhists.
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peace
 
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Reply Sat 13 May, 2006 11:00 am
rosborne979 wrote:
peace wrote:
What is driving the current frenzy of creationists is that Karl Rove found that they are a politically cohesive group that is easily manipulated and so has fanned their flame for political gain. Thats the real drive behind all this creationism nonsense.


Welcome to A2K. You suggest an interesting perspective. And I think there's some truth to it, but can you give some specific examples of how Karl Rove fanned their flames?

Thanks,


Well, I was using Karl Rove as the embodiment of the wacko right wing in the USA. Really he is just in the upper echelon of the policical movement that exploits the Evangelicals as a base. The Bush campaign strategies are well documented in their use of hot button issues such as gay marriage, school preyer and creationism as rallying points for pollical strength. These are issues that are impossible to win, which is perfect because if they ever did succeed the political fervor that surrounds them would dissipate, which is bad for getting your cronies elected.

Kind Regards
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peace
 
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Reply Sat 13 May, 2006 11:07 am
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
peace wrote:
Creationists are just old school. Evolution as a theory has been around for about, say, 120 years.


Even longer if you count the views of the Hindus and Buddhists.


I don't think Hindus would have disagreed with Darwin to the level that some Christians do. But Darwin was stating Evolution as a scientific theory that could be proved or disproved. Buddhists and Hindus do not state their beliefs in those terms. Their terms are more like, "accept" or "do not accept". And you can't build the Kingdoms of nature on top of Hindu or Buddhists beliefs.

-peace
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Sat 13 May, 2006 11:37 am
peace wrote:
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
I don't think Hindus would have disagreed with Darwin to the level that some Christians do.


They don't disagree at all.

http://hinduwebsite.com/evolution.htm

Granted, theirs is more along the lines of spiritual evolution, but there is no conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_evolution

Even Buddhism is not affected by Evolution.
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peace
 
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Reply Sat 13 May, 2006 03:40 pm
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
peace wrote:
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
I don't think Hindus would have disagreed with Darwin to the level that some Christians do.


They don't disagree at all.

http://hinduwebsite.com/evolution.htm

Granted, theirs is more along the lines of spiritual evolution, but there is no conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_evolution

Even Buddhism is not affected by Evolution.


Agreed. But not disagreeing is not the same as agreeing. It also is probably not enough to kick the date back for the founding of the theory of evolution. That's all.
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EpiNirvana
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 03:05 pm
they fear science, and i can give you a perfect example, back when science was trying to prove monkeys had intellect and could use tools to help them, creationist said that only ppl can think for themselves, fearing that if animals could choose that it might prove god wrong......now days that just sound super insanebut at one time it was actually debated!
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