Where Tribulation Begins

Mindonfire wrote:

Setanta wrote:

Mindonfire wrote:

Everything is not God's fault.

Certainly this is correct--in that you cannot demonstrate that any god exists, it would indeed be foolish to blame the figment of someone's imagination for anything.

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Man's ignorance and arrogance is to blame.

Although the inferential evidence is strong that few members here are more familiar with ignorance and arrogance--there is absolutely no reason to assume that there is any one problem or set of problems which fatally threaten us for which each and every member of humanity is responsible.

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Man is responsible for the predicament that he is currently in and the great calamity that is about to occur.

Your "predicament" is putative and undemonstrated. You provide no evidence that a "great calamity" is about to occur.

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You can't escape God. He is real.

You have not demonstrated that any god exists, therefore this is mere nonsense.

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Most people are unaware that everything that is going on in the world is written in plain English in the Scriptures.

The scriptures were not written in English, and there is nothing either plain nor self-evident about the language upon which you base the allegations you have made based upon your idiosyncratic exegesis.

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And most of it was preventable. Most things are preventable but the problem is that people only notice after the fact. Hitler was preventable, WWI and WWII were preventabel.

These are statements from authority, without foundation or evidence, and sufficiently vague as to be meaningless, for all the wisdom you intend to assure us they contain. It is by no means certain that "Hitler was preventable." The "stab in the back myth" which was at the heart of the resentments of the German people which Hitler exploited was created by Ludendorf before the Allies had even convened the Paris Peace Conference. It is not unreasonable to suggest that the Great War was one of history's few examples of an inevitable event. Your basis for your contentions is based soley upon an allegation that the "salvation" of humanity can only arise from the acceptance of religious dogma as you retail it--and there are few notions which i could find more ridiculous.

Good Day

Firstly the argument that one has to demonstrate that something or someone exists in order for that thing or being to be is foolish. Before the New World was discovered many in the Old World were unaware of there existence. Does this mean that the continent of North America and South America did not exist until after discovery? Newton's demonstration of gravity did not put gravity into existence. Gravity was there before his demonstration and would have still been there if there was no demonstration. Cancer is present in the body before there is any demonstration or symptoms. Does this mean that a person does not have cancer if there is no demonstration or symptoms.
Your inability to see, and comprehend does not negate existence.

Secondly I am in the process of demonstrating through the Scriptures that there is a God and all that is happening and that has happened is written in the Scriptures. You all have just been repeating patterns and are in the midst of repeating the same pattern from the not so distant past. It will take some time.

Peace

Ah but these things like gravity, the new world, and cancer can be scientifically proven, while the existance of a "god" can not be. Also you say that all that is happening and has happend is written in the scriptures??...... you are freakin retarded

Mindonfire wrote:

Firstly the argument that one has to demonstrate that something or someone exists in order for that thing or being to be is foolish.

I haven't said that this were the case. I have said that absent any demonstration on your part that a deity exists, there is no good reason to accpet your statements about said deity. You state as a fact that a god exists. You don't provide any evidence. Therefore, there is no reason to believe you.

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Before the New World was discovered many in the Old World were unaware of there existence. Does this mean that the continent of North America and South America did not exist until after discovery?

Of course not. If by this you suggest that your god remains undiscovered, however, than you have to provide the evidence for the discovery to be a reality. As a matter of fact though, the ancient Greeks thought that purely for reason of symmetry and balance, there must be another continent to the west of the Atlantic--hence the Atlantis myths. Additionally, Norge such as Eric Ruddi had visited North America, and fishermen commonly landed on the continent to dry, smoke or salt their catch before returning to Europe. In the many tens of thousands of years of the existence of homo sapiens sapiens, no one has demonstrated the existence of a god, nor made the "discovery." Once again, absent any proof, there is no reason to accept statements from authority by you concerning your imaginary friend.

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Newton's demonstration of gravity did not put gravity into existence. Gravity was there before his demonstration and would have still been there if there was no demonstration.

Newton did not "demonstrate" gravity. He described and qualified a known attribute of the physical world.

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Cancer is present in the body before there is any demonstration or symptoms. Does this mean that a person does not have cancer if there is no demonstration or symptoms.

It is amusing to see you compare your deity to a cancerous growth, but it proves nothing. Once again, there is no reason to accept your unsupported statements.

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Your inability to see, and comprehend does not negate existence.

I can comprehend the dog and pony show you're trying to peddle here--i just don't buy it. I can't "see" it because you have failed to show it. Show me your god, and i'm prepared to believe.

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Secondly I am in the process of demonstrating through the Scriptures that there is a God and all that is happening and that has happened is written in the Scriptures. You all have just been repeating patterns and are in the midst of repeating the same pattern from the not so distant past. It will take some time.

It's going to take you a hell of a long time. Upon what basis should anyone either accept the scripture is definitive, or that your exegesis is correct?

We are all sinners. As sinners, we cannot be in the same place as God. In order for us to be forgiven from our sins, we recognize the sacrifice that Jesus made by laying down His life for the forgiveness of our sins.

Wolfie,

If you are expecting me or anyone else to stay on this earth because you or they might not have made the decision to be with Christ, sorry. I'm not doing it.

Those that died before Christ only had to believe in God. And when Jesus was on the cross He went to hell and preached to those in hell and many were saved.

If someone truly has never heard of Christ and dies, they will not be condemned. God will not condemn anyone that has not heard of Him.

If someone truly has never heard of Christ and dies, they will not be condemned. God will not condemn anyone that has not heard of Him.

We are all sinners. As sinners, we cannot be in the same place as God. In order for us to be forgiven from our sins, we recognize the sacrifice that Jesus made by laying down His life for the forgiveness of our sins.

First of al Belief is not the foundation of Existence, it does not negate, and it cannot create.

Your lack of physical or spiritual awareness does not nullify God's existence.

The world still exists though a man may be blind.

His blindness dos not mean that the world does not exist.

A person who is in a vegetative state may not be able to see, touch or feel anything in this physical world, but this does not mean that the world does not exist.

The evidence is all around you. Man creates everyday but yet he thinks he was not created. That's pure arrogance. Whether you choose to perceive is your choice. Don't worry the time is coming

Now regarding Newton

Demonstrate: (vrb) transitive verb 1 : to show clearly *demonstrate a willingness to cooperate*
2 a : to prove or make clear by reasoning or evidence b : to illustrate and explain especially with many examples *demonstrate a procedure* 3 : to show or prove the value or efficiency of to a prospective buyer *demonstrate a new product*
intransitive verb : to make a demonstration *crowds demonstrating for the right to vote*
synonyms see SHOW

Describe: (trans vrb) 1 : to represent or give an account of in words *describe a picture*
2 : to represent by a figure, model, or picture : DELINEATE
3 obsolete : DISTRIBUTE
4 : to trace or traverse the outline of *describe a circle*
5 archaic : OBSERVE, PERCEIVE

Wolfie,

No, I do not reject Christ's teachings. Those that reject Him will be left behind.

It's their choice to make. We are to look after our own salvation.
And no, the Great Tribulation has not occurred, too many things have not occurred that have been told of in prophecy. There are plenty of websites, articles, books, etc., on the Rapture and the Tribulation.