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Clitoridectomies 80 Million mostly Muslem

 
 
Chumly
 
Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 03:07 am
Clitoridectomies are either common or universal in nearly 20 African nations, many Middle Eastern nations, and in parts of Malaysia, Indonesia, and the India-Pakistan Subcontinent. The prevalence of clitoridectomies in Egypt has declined substantially and is now largely limited to a few groups in rural areas. The procedure continues to be practice widely among certain tribes in Nigeria and in other parts of Africa. Some African countries have passed (rarely enforced) laws against clitoridectomy, but the practice is only glancingly acknowledged by government ministries of information and journalists. All told, about 80 million women have had clitoridectomies; about 80 million women have undergone genital mutilation. Although most clitoridectomy victims are Muslims, it has also been practice by Christians, animists, and some Ethiopian Jews. Clitoridectomies were also occasionally recommended to "cure" female masturbators and women with "loose" moral virtues in the nineteenth- and early twentieth-century United States.

What is clitoridectomy? It is the ritual removal of the clitrois, sometimes accompanied by infibulation (stitching of the vulva). This mutilation occurs under unsanitary conditions and without anesthesia; victims are often held down by relatives or tied down. A more radical form of clitoridectomy, known as Sudanese or Pharaonic clitoridectomy, is practiced widely in Sudan, generally between the ages of 4 and 8. Pharaonic clitoridectomy entails removal of the clitoris along with the labia minora and the inner layers of the labia majora. After removal of the skin tissue, the raw edges of the labia major are sewn together and a tiny opening is left to allow passage of urine and menstrual discharge. Medical complications are common, including menstrual and urinary problems and even death. After marriage, the opening is enlarged. Enlargement is a gradual process that is often made difficult by scar tissue, and hemorrhaging and tearing of surrounding tissues often occur. It may take three months or longer before the opening is large enough to allow penile penetration. Mutilation of the labia is now illegal in Sudan, although the law continues to allow the removal of the clitoris.

What are the effects of clitoridectomy? The London-based Minority Rights Group International lists the following short- and long-term effects: tetanus, hemorrhages, septicemia, and cuts in the urethra, vaginal walls, bladder, and anal sphincter, chronic vaginal and urinary infections, massive scarring that can impede walking, large cysts, fistuals, incontinence, painful intercourse and menstruation, vulval abscesses, sterility, increased vulnerability to the AIDS virus, and of course, deaths under the knife.

What is the "rationale" for this torture? The practice is often cited as puberty rite in late childhood or early adolescence. The removal of the clitoris is believed to keep a girl chaste because the clitoris is sensitive to sexual stimulation. It is feared that girls are otherwise consumed with sexual desires. Some groups in rural Egypt and in the northern Sudan, however, perform clitoridectomies primarily because it is a social custom that has been passed down through the generations from ancient times or because they perceive it as part of their faith in Islam, although the Koran itself does not require it.

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dalahow2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 04:32 am
NEVER JUST WRITE....
For readers to know what you are talking about, Please try to separate

ISLAM and CULTURE......

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It seems you don't know my culture allows FGM....and ISLAM refuses it..


Many readers know you don't know anything about ISLAM and CULTURE..

Smile Smile Smile

Never Just anything for the sake of writing..
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 04:40 am
GOOD
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Although most clitoridectomy victims are Muslims, and ISLAM allows NOT, it has also been practice by Christians, animists, and some Ethiopian Jews.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 07:49 am
Is there any punishment among Muslims for those who practice such abominations? Would it be considered as serious as converting to another religion, for example? How many of these knife wielding sadists have been executed according to Islamic law?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 08:00 am
Re: NEVER JUST WRITE....
dalahow2 wrote:
For readers to know what you are talking about, Please try to separate

ISLAM and CULTURE......


You are correct here.

And I'd like to add: please use some un-biased sources!

Chumly wrote:
Clitoridectomies are either common or universal in nearly 20 African nations, many Middle Eastern nations, and in parts of Malaysia, Indonesia, and the India-Pakistan Subcontinent.

versus
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The practice of female circumcision dates to ancient times and was traditionally performed to guard virginity and to reduce sexual desire. Though statistics are generally unavailable because the operation is rarely performed by the medical community, it is widely practiced in such places as New Guinea; Australia; the Malay Archipelago; Ethiopia, Egypt, and other parts of Africa; Brazil; Mexico; Peru; and by various Islamic peoples of the Middle East, Africa, western Asia, and India. Infibulation is common particularly in The Sudan, Somalia, and Nigeria.
source: "clitoridectomy." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 3 Apr. 2006 <http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9024411>.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 08:48 am
Guts
The Topic was posted in a "Normal Islamphobia" way..

"Clitoridectomies 80million mostly muslims"...


Still, Please also add the guts to say...

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Aids is least spread across muslim land..
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 04:41 pm
Re: Guts
dalahow2 wrote:


Still, Please also add the guts to say...

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Aids is least spread across muslim land..


You're very right, but they do not want to praise Islam - they'd rather attack it from evey angle before praising any part of it. Sad, but true. Rolling Eyes
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 05:00 pm
Re: Guts
Raul-7 wrote:
dalahow2 wrote:


Still, Please also add the guts to say...

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Aids is least spread across muslim land..


You're very right, but they do not want to praise Islam - they'd rather attack it from evey angle before praising any part of it. Sad, but true. Rolling Eyes
Even if true that "Aids is least spread across muslim land" (of which not only am I very dubious but of which you have provided no proof whatsoever as to the veracity of your claim) what does Muslim Aids have to do with Muslim clitoridectomies? Nothing.

Unless you are inferring that Muslim clitoridectomies are a viable way to limit Muslim Aids?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 05:23 pm
Re: NEVER JUST WRITE....
Walter Hinteler wrote:
And I'd like to add: please use some un-biased sources!
Chumly wrote:
Clitoridectomies are either common or universal in nearly 20 African nations, many Middle Eastern nations, and in parts of Malaysia, Indonesia, and the India-Pakistan Subcontinent.
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The practice of female circumcision dates to ancient times and was traditionally performed to guard virginity and to reduce sexual desire. Though statistics are generally unavailable because the operation is rarely performed by the medical community, it is widely practiced in such places as New Guinea; Australia; the Malay Archipelago; Ethiopia, Egypt, and other parts of Africa; Brazil; Mexico; Peru; and by various Islamic peoples of the Middle East, Africa, western Asia, and India. Infibulation is common particularly in The Sudan, Somalia, and Nigeria.
source: "clitoridectomy." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 3 Apr. 2006 <http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9024411>.
I do not see the serious overt contradictions:

a) "Clitoridectomies are either common or universal in nearly 20 African nations, many Middle Eastern nations, and in parts of Malaysia, Indonesia, and the India-Pakistan Subcontinent"

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b)....it is widely practiced in such places as New Guinea; Australia; the Malay Archipelago; Ethiopia, Egypt, and other parts of Africa; Brazil; Mexico; Peru; and by various Islamic peoples of the Middle East, Africa, western Asia, and India.

Are you arguing that "common" is not the same as "widely practiced"?

Or are you arguing that "widely practiced" is not the same as "universal" of which my source does not assert to be the only possible arbiter of the relative amount of clitoridectomies.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 05:32 pm
The clitoris,if such it can be called,is,like all other parts of the body,connected to the brain at a distance of about 36 inches or about a metre under decimalisation.

It is thus possible to render it less sensitive than it might otherwise be by less inhumane and crude methods than a sharp knife.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 05:35 pm
Muslims and Female Genital Mutilation

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In July, 1997 the Egyptian government overturned a ban on the practice of FGM. This event was celebrated by some Muslim figures, particularly Sheikh Youssef al-Badri, an outspoken proponent of the circumcision of Muslim women. Later the ban was reinstated, an act celebrated now by feminists and under assault by a few Muslim activists, again, led by Sheikh al-Badri. For the general public, with only limited exposure to Muslims and Islam, the natural conclusion would be that the practice of FGM must somehow be part of the faith, since those who seem to be the most religious are the most ardent supporters. Unfortunately , this simply represents how the sexuality of women is used, under whatever philosophy or world-view, to perpetuate their subjugation.

In addition, circumcision is believed to ensure cleanliness, chastity and to minimize the sexual appetite of women and thus reduce the likelihood that they will bring shame on themselves or their families through sexual indiscretions. The guarantee of a young woman's purity further enhances her attractiveness to potential suitors. Religious leaders in many of the communities that practice FGM also support the custom, linking the moral benefits listed above to religion; therefore, a devoted believer who wants to carry out religious duties to her or his utmost is convinced that FGM is associated with righteousness and purity, both valued by all religions, including Islam.

Sadly, the notion that honor and shame fall so heavily on the shoulders of the women of any given family is pervasive throughout the Muslim world, including those countries where FGM is not known. As a result of patriarchal influences, a woman's sexuality is something that does not belong to her, but rather is ultimately controlled by the dominant male of her family (father, elder brother, husband, etc.)
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 05:37 pm
spendius wrote:
The clitoris,if such it can be called,is,like all other parts of the body,connected to the brain at a distance of about 36 inches or about a metre under decimalisation.

It is thus possible to render it less sensitive than it might otherwise be by less inhumane and crude methods than a sharp knife.
Marriage? Bad joke in bad taste I know, but you set me up!
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 05:45 pm
Hi Lash,

I am with you, I find the whole concept of femal genital mutilation of any kind to be repulsive, especially since it is done in ignorance and fear and superstition etc. And for that matter anything that subjugates a woman's free sexual (or otherwise) individual choice.

For some to defend their religious beliefs by saying there is no specific reference in their interpretation of their religion as per female genital mutilation but in the same breath endorse extreme patriarchal influences is BS.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 05:52 pm
Making the connection between being a Muslim and FGM is really a low blow.

Remember a little practice China had for, oh, 1,000 years called foot binding? This had nothing to do wih the religions of China, as far as I know.
It was done purely for sexual allure, leaving a woman with a 3 inch foot that literally rotted underneath tight clothes.

The countries that practice FGM, were they Muslim before the practice began....?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 06:01 pm
I didn't make a connection. There is a connection.

No one said they're the only ones that do it.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 06:02 pm
Did you read the linked article?? Muslim clerics make the connection.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 06:04 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
Making the connection between being a Muslim and FGM is really a low blow.

Remember a little practice China had for, oh, 1,000 years called foot binding? This had nothing to do wih the religions of China, as far as I know.
It was done purely for sexual allure, leaving a woman with a 3 inch foot that literally rotted underneath tight clothes.

The countries that practice FGM, were they Muslim before the practice began....?
OK I'll go along and see where it all goes.

1) Do you argue that it is simply chance that Muslims perform so many FGM's and other socio-cultural-relgious groups do not?

2) Can you easily separate all Muslims from all the negative socio-cultural-relgious implications at this point in time?

3) Could you have separated Christians from witch burning (when it was popular) with the same relative ease?

4) Would you be willing to argue there are no cultural-social implications within a specific religion within a given time frame and environment?

5) Would you be willing to argue that a specific religion is clearly defined and that everyone's interpretation of that specific religion must and always will be consistent and constant?
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 06:09 pm
nothing personal, it was really directed at chumly.

The title of this tread indicates this is a religious issue, when in fact, it's curtural.

To me, that's like saying, 80% of Baptists eat white bread, when their religion has nothing to do with it and the fact they live in a geographical area where white bread is produced is much more the reason.

I know, I know, bad comparison, but I'm dog tired.

Again, does anyone know which came first, the spread of Islam where FGM is practiced, or was it practiced before the people in the area became muslim?

That would be an important thing to know.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 06:12 pm
Hi Chai,

I forgot one more:

6) Is it really possible to accurately delineate cultural and religious impetuses in all cases at all times?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 06:12 pm
Chai--

Does it matter which came first if a great number of Muslims are practicing it, believing it is an important part of their religion?

Because that's what's happened over a long period of time.
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