Reply
Fri 17 Mar, 2006 04:10 pm
There r 23 father words and 23 mother words in Qur'an.. Yeah totally 46.. as chromosome
. So God knows 46 Who says I created Adem and Eve.. Who says I created Īsā ibn Miryam (Jesus) without father. Why without father ?
(One of them) Because God wanted to show there is no importance of causes.. God showed his Power. Yes most important cause of Christianity was created without causes ( father concept is most important cause for humanbeing ). Yes I know Moses is Voice of God, Jesus is spirit of God,
. But there are two conception God or creation .. there is no middle phase.
Qur'an also says 112. chapter (totally 114) IKHLAS chapter
?'' In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful.. Say : He is the Allah the One and Only
Allah the Eternal Absolute : He begetteth not nor is He begotten
..And there is none like unto Him ?''
For example, first sentence of Islam.. It is said ?'' I am the witness that there is no God but Allah , Muhammed is slave of God and Muhammed is Prophet of God ?'' As if God gives message also for last Prophet is only people as you. Than talk about Prophethood.God or creation.
STORY OF MARY IN QUR'AN :
19 CHAPTER - Marium
16.Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.
17.She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
18.She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."
19.He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a pure son.
20.She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
21.He said: "So (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us'. It is a matter (so) decreed."
22.So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
23.And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten!"
24.But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
25."And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
26."So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being'"
27.At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly a strange thing has thou brought!
28."O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
29.But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
30.He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
Kevnmoon, it's great that you are trying to teach them the truth about the Messiah (PBUH) - but they will not believe that Jesus is NOT the son of God.
And most of them believe in God only when they can attribute partners (to Him). (Surah Yusuf: 106)
Raul-7
Who is this "they" to whom you refer?
Your continued assumption that all humanity is divided into christians and muslims is dangerous and ridiculous. Perhaps it's the reason muslim suicide bombers (as distinct from the rest!?) assume all non-muslims are the enemy!
How many times have I pointed out that many, many people (like me) don't believe in any magic beings of any kind (or their magical sons or messengers)?
Both of you are deluded by foolish superstition, why not make an effort to learn about the world (and people like me) instead of constantly preaching your own nonsense as certainty? Then you might actually learn something.
kevmoon and Raul-7,
Peace be upon you both. For myself, I do not believe because I can attribute powers to Him. My beliefs go much deeper than that. I will agree with you on one thing, Raul-7. No one will ever be able to convince me that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God.
Eorl,
Hey! How's it going?
Eorl..
If you lokk to my posts you see.. I want to tell all the common points.. In thıs post.. I wanted to show so big wrong about God and Son.. Also this is contrary to orginal christianity.. True common points also with jews also with everyone..
If I use ''THEY'' I can't tell anything.. I don't fight with anyone..
the sibling rivalry btween the secondary semetics continues !!
Momma Angel wrote:No one will ever be able to convince me that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God.
On the other hand, for myself, I am willing to join your belief if the truth is with you. However, I have a condition:
you have to prove that the truth is with you.
Would you mind, Momma, proving that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
If you think that people here are going to have the tiniest sympathy for Islam after all the bomb throwing, you're mistaken.
You are so right Mr. Brandon..
Also I know that there are few and few Muslims in forum sites.
War exist all the time .. By Muslim or other people.
I think, Muslim has been forced to undesirable attacks.
But understand.. My aim is to tell something.. ic you. Thanks...
kevnmoon,
What do you mean by "I think, Muslim has been forced to undesirable attacks. "?
Do you condemn the atrocities commited by certain groups of muslims?
I certainly hope you are not implying that the responsibility for those acts of horror are not on the backs of those who commited them alone.
Momma Angel wrote:Muslim1,
Peace be with you. I would be happy to share with you why I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. We can start with:
Quote:Matthew 3:13-17 ~ Then Jesus came from Galilee in the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, "I need to be baptised by ou, and do you come to me?"
Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness. Then John consented.
As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love, with him I am well pleased."
But the word of Matthew totally contradicts the following verse:
"Such was Jesus, the son of Mary; it is a statement of truth, about which they vainly dispute. It is not befitting to the majesty of God, that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, ?'Be' and it is" (Quran 19:34-35).
Are you going to take the word of Matthew over the word of God himself?
Not to mention the
only prophet God ever spoke to was prophet Moses (PBUH).
The only prophet God ever spoke to was Moses? Hmmm. We definitely do not read the same book.
Momma Angel wrote:The only prophet God ever spoke to was Moses? Hmmm. We definitely do not read the same book.
Most İmportant specilities of Moses.. He wanted to speak so much with God.. He spoke with God on Sina Mountain .. Normally all Prophet speak with God.
But Moses is the only one to speak to God directly.
I think what you mean is Moses is the only one that God spoke to directly. God sent angels and messengers all the time to talk to his prophets and even to unbelievers.
Momma Angel wrote:I think what you mean is Moses is the only one that God spoke to directly. God sent angels and messengers all the time to talk to his prophets and even to unbelievers.
True, but you claim God also spoke to Matthew directly.
No, I didn't. I said that God said who His son was. I didn't say he said it to Matthew, Mark, Luke, John or anyone. Actually, I would imagine that everyone there heard what God said, wouldn't you?
Momma Angel wrote:I think what you mean is Moses is the only one that God spoke to directly. God sent angels and messengers all the time to talk to his prophets and even to unbelievers.
here is a good article about all the prophets and who spoke to god and who had angels sent to them etc.
read this
Raul-7 wrote:But Moses is the only one to speak to God directly.
What do you say the Prophet Mohammed's ascension ? MIRAC.. Also saw GOD directly.. and also without all causes. GAbriel said If I come with you I burn.. ??