Eorl wrote:It seems everyone in the world is a jackass to you Raul-7, everyone who doesn't agree with you and your view of the universe.
Such is the bigotry and arrogance of the religious zealot. Lot's of talking, almost no listening, and always through the "holy truth" filter.
It's been said before, but the more I hear about Islam from Muslims, the more I'm convinced the world is much better off without it.
"But if anyone turns away from My reminder, his life will be a dark and narrow oneĀ
" (Qur'an, 20:124)
I actually believe the world would be much better without a lot of things, mainly aethiests, arrogance, deception and poverty. Unfortunately all these things are widespread in this transitional life.
between athiests, arrogance, deception, poverty and islam, the last one surely has caused the maximum killings all over the world, ever since it came into existance.
Raul-7 wrote:Eorl wrote:
It's been said before, but the more I hear about Islam from Muslims, the more I'm convinced the world is much better off without it.
I actually believe the world would be much better without a lot of things, mainly aethiests...
Whilst Eorl's criticism was of Islam...i.e. a set of ideas or beliefs, your response Raul was to wish to get rid of large numbers of people who you call "aethiests". First you obviously dont understand the definition of the word atheism...second those who have no need to express religious belief are entitled to be regarded as people and not "things".
Raul-7,
A straight question.
Do you unreservedly condemn acts of terrorism by Islamic extremists ? By unreservedly I mean without reference to the deeds of other groups which some might consider to be equally wrong.
Steve.
Well found !
I hope those guys are not shouting into the wind.
Think whatever you want; you just follow stereotypes and biased articles to staisfy your ideals.
I try to enlighten you with the truth, but you refuse to accept it.
"When it is said to them, 'Fear God', they are led by arrogance to more crime. Hell shall be enough for them, an evil bed indeed to lie on!" (Al-Baqara, 206)
We did not create the heavens and the earth and everything between them as a game. We did not create them except with truth but most of them do not know it. (Surat ad-Dukhan: 38-39)
But you will all be amongst the losers in the end-
They indeed are losers who deny their meeting with God until, when the Hour comes on them suddenly, they cry: Alas for us, that we neglected it! They bear upon their backs their burdens. Ah, evil are the burdens which they bear! (Surah Al-Anaam:31)
Just keep going astray and you will get what you truly deserve.
Raul-7.
I think we've all got the picture.
You fail to condemn Islamic terrorism and you resort to infantile word magic.
And then you complain about "the sterotype"!.
How Radical Islam Is Destroying the West Within
By Bruce Bawer
Doubleday. 247 pp. $23.95
Author sees growing Muslim enclaves hoping to rule Europe
By Carlin Romano
If the ongoing "Battle of Khartoon" (let's give it some historical resonance) proves anything, it's that many otherwise well-educated Westerners remain illiterate about Islam.
According to the Wall Street Journal, the editors of Denmark's Jyllands-Posten newspaper didn't understand when they published their visual bombshells that some strains of Islam (but not all) oppose depiction of Muhammad. Consider that just one gap in knowledge that new books like Bruce Bawer's While Europe Slept help close.
Indeed, thanks to Voltaire, the Enlightenment, and American freedom of expression, spring lists prestigious publishers abound with scholarly tomes packed with information on Islam. Look, for instance, at Alan Jamieson's Faith and Sword: A Short History of Christian-Muslim Conflict (University of Chicago Press), or Efraim Karsh's Islamic Imperialism: A History (Yale)
Such studies follow scores of volumes over the last few years that offer context for the current fury over Muhammad's cartoon portrayal as a source of terror. Read, for instance, Muhammad in Europe (NYU Press, 2001) by Minou Reeves, an Iranian scholar who examines traditional European images of Muhammad as a xenophobic warrior and argues that they misjudge him.
But such books, with their sedulous, unapologetic presentation of fact, also pose a challenge to Islamic insisters that Muhammad never be criticized. Did you know that Syria, Egypt, Palestine, North Africa, Iran and Iraq consisted of Christians, pagans, Jews and Zoroastrians until Arab Islamic warriors subdued them by force (eventually conquering the whole Byzantine and Sassanid Persian empires)? That the citizens of Mecca, now the holiest Muslim city, opposed Muhammad and his new creed until he showed up on their doorstep with an army in 629?
It may also surprise you to learn that three Jewish tribes on the run Roman persecution - the Nadir, Quraiza and Qainuqa - partly founded Medina (then called Yathrib), the city where Muhammad moved to escape his Meccan enemies.
According to Karsh, Muhammad and his followers systematically eliminated Medina's Jews and seized their property. In 627, Medina's Muslims declared that the Quraiza were collaborators with Muhammad's Meccan enemies. They beheaded 600 to 800 men of the Quraiza, threw their bodies in trenches, and divided their wealth.
Karsh and Jamieson serve up further uncomfortable tidbits. The Christian philosopher St. Thomas Aquinas, no draw-the-hip cartoonist, thought Islam incapable of the status of a true faith because he deemed it a religion of violence and war. (Aquinas overlooked massacres by Christian crusaders, which should remind us that Christians once arguably exceeded Muslims in violence.) The great English historian Edward Gibbon thought Arabic might have become the language of Oxford and Cambridge if Charles Martel's Frankish army hadn't stopped an expansionist Arab force at Poitiers in 732.
Bruce Bawer's While Europe Slept, published this month, provides an extraordinarily timely and incisive complement to such works. His topic is far fresher, one rarely explained to Americans because of our shrinking coverage of Europe: the astounding growth of Muslim communities there over the last 30 years, and how they interact with traditionally Christian societies.
Bawer, a gay, neoconservative American literary critic New York who has lived in Amsterdam (now more than half non-Dutch) and, since 1997, in Oslo, energetically reports here what happens between the terrorist incidents that prod mainstream American media to brief coverage: the everyday tensions of a Europe that, for the first time in many centuries, must face substantial Islamic populations and ambitions.
In Bawer's view, Western Europe is becoming a "house divided against itself." On the one hand, the educated European elite maintains an unshakable "belief in peace and reconciliation through dialogue," a faith (their only remaining faith) that every issue can be resolved without violence.
On the other hand, Europe's unassimilated Muslim communities are led in many cases, Bawer contends, by "fundamentalist Muslims" who seek "the establishment in Europe of a caliphate government according to sharia law." Such leaders, often imams and elders, see "Islamist terrorists as allies in a global jihad, or holy war, dedicated to that goal."
According to Bawer, liberals in Europe, even more than their American counterparts, want to believe that most Muslim immigrants share Western middle-class goals: a safe place to live, opportunities for their children, and the like. That accounts, Bawer argues, for the odd mix in their attitudes to Muslims: joy in the "multiculturalism" that makes their previously homogeneous societies more "colorful," and a nativist desire to keep Muslims in their place as exotica.
Bawer asserts that the reality - confirmed for him by the resistance of European Muslims to assimilation, and the marked presence in their communities of honor killings, homophobia, polygamy, marital rape, forced marriage, and intolerance of democracy and pluralism - is that European Muslim leaders, with demographics on their side, still harbor the millennial hope of taking power in Europe, and see the European attitude as both weak and hostile. It is "political correctness," Bawer writes, that has "gotten Europe into its current mess."
Accept his analysis or not, Bawer and his details startle, since American tourists rarely visit the Muslim communities that now ring many European cities, and American journalists rarely cover them. Apart the heinous killings by angry Muslims of prominent Europeans such as Dutch professor and politician Pim Fortuyn (after publication of his book Against the Islamicization of Our Culture) and Dutch artist and filmmaker Theo van Gogh, who dared to question Islamic brutalization of women, Bawer describes a landscape of dysfunction.
Seventy percent of the inmates in French prisons, Bawer reports, are Muslim. Four out of five residents at Oslo's main women's shelter are non-Norwegian women seeking protection male family members. In Denmark, "Muslims make up 5 percent of the population but receive 40 percent of welfare outlays." Ninety-four percent of asylum seekers who come to Norway arrive with no identification, a well-known subterfuge around Europe that virtually ensures asylum on humanitarian grounds.
Bawer's book also highlights the ironies of current global politics and immigration. Radical Islamists, for instance, focus their fury on the United States even though it, unlike Europe, experienced little antagonism with Islam until the creation of Israel, and in fact most resembles the traditional Islamic "umma" (universal Muslim community), in the generosity with which it welcomes foreign residents (though it differs in offering equality rather than second-class dhimmi citizenship).
Similarly, while Islamists explode with fury at the very idea that non-Muslims should occupy or live in Islamic countries, Bawer observes and amply documents that many employ every legal and illegal stratagem imaginable under the doctrine of "family reunification" to bring more relatives into their European countries. They then insist they have a right to be there and apply for the seemingly endless forms of European welfare: "unemployment benefits, relief payments, child benefits, disability, cash support, and rent allowance."
Bawer apportions blame for the "mess" he sees. Muslim immigrants insist on Islam's traditionally imperialist principles, which presume that no Muslim properly lives under the sovereignty of a non-Muslim state. Europeans maintain a "romantic view of Muslim immigrants" as "colorful" unfortunates worthy of assistance, but steadfastly resist their entry into elite professions and neighborhoods. Bawer beautifully capsulizes this European mind-set as "millions in aid, but not a penny in salary."
Ultimately, his book, like the cartoon controversy, raises profound challenges to standard ideas of democracy, authority, and free expression.
To whom does any country's physical territory belong? Those who have been there longest? A simple majority? The best-educated?
Must the cultural rules of longtime societies last forever? Or might it make perfect democratic sense for officially secular France to change should its Muslim population reach 50 percent, just as the English-speaking United States might need to accept Spanish as an equal language if Spanish speakers reach that mark?
Bawer's must-read book, in tandem with others, opens our eyes to an inescapable truth: Christians and Muslims fought wars for more than 1,000 years, with each at times conquering the other's territory by force. Non-Muslims need to know far more about Islam if they're going to take positions they can justify, whether that leads to cooperating with various Islamic world views or ultimately confronting them.
Islam, we're often reminded these days, means "submission" in Arabic. Enlightenment, we should equally remember, means replacing half-baked notions and myths with facts.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1638607,00050004.htm
UAE Govt confiscate text books from US school
Press Trust of India
he UAE government has confiscated over 100 copies of a social studies textbook from an upscale American school in Abu Dhabi.
The text books were allegedly portraying Islam in a negative light, as controversy over the Prophet Mohammad cartoons continued to rage across the Muslim world.
Copies of the book 'World Cultures', taught to sixth grade students at the school was confiscated by the Ministry of Education' on Tuesday for allegedly containing in certain chapters a deluge of derogatory remarks against Islam and the Muslim world.
"The text book dubbed Middle East as one of the most dangerous explosive areas in the world and the Muslim conquest of India as the most bloodiest in the world history," a report in the Khaleej Times said.
"Israel is one of a few democracies in north Africa and the Middle East today; the country of Syria has sponsored terrorism by giving aid to radicals in the Palestine Liberation Organisation", excerpts from the book read.
Terming the text as 'racist', Juma Salami, Assistant Undersecretary to Foreign Private Education said the book, published by Silver Burdett Ginn, is insulting to the country's religion and culture.
"While there are clamour for change in the Middle East, one has to understand that these are the books coming from so called 'free world'. This is a typical example of how textbooks are used to manipulate the thought of young minds," Salami said.
The book would be withdrawn from the syllabus, he said.
Meanwhile, the Minister of Education Haniff Hassan Al Qassimi said, "a more rigorous monitoring system would be implemented to control the content being taught in the private schools."
What's the point of my condemning the acts; is that supposed everything all better? Are they suddenly going to stop if I do so?
I simply believe only God knows what their fate is and hopefully they get what they deserved.
brahmin wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1638607,00050004.htm
UAE Govt confiscate text books from US school
Press Trust of India
he UAE government has confiscated over 100 copies of a social studies textbook from an upscale American school in Abu Dhabi.
The text books were allegedly portraying Islam in a negative light, as controversy over the Prophet Mohammad cartoons continued to rage across the Muslim world.
Copies of the book 'World Cultures', taught to sixth grade students at the school was confiscated by the Ministry of Education' on Tuesday for allegedly containing in certain chapters a deluge of derogatory remarks against Islam and the Muslim world.
"The text book dubbed Middle East as one of the most dangerous explosive areas in the world and the Muslim conquest of India as the most bloodiest in the world history," a report in the Khaleej Times said.
"Israel is one of a few democracies in north Africa and the Middle East today; the country of Syria has sponsored terrorism by giving aid to radicals in the Palestine Liberation Organisation", excerpts from the book read.
Terming the text as 'racist', Juma Salami, Assistant Undersecretary to Foreign Private Education said the book, published by Silver Burdett Ginn, is insulting to the country's religion and culture.
"While there are clamour for change in the Middle East, one has to understand that these are the books coming from so called 'free world'. This is a typical example of how textbooks are used to manipulate the thought of young minds," Salami said.
The book would be withdrawn from the syllabus, he said.
Meanwhile, the Minister of Education Haniff Hassan Al Qassimi said, "a more rigorous monitoring system would be implemented to control the content being taught in the private schools."
What's your point? If I may publish a history textbook mocking the Hindu caste system and try to prove how primitive their religion is - how would you feel if I introduced it into the Indian circulum? I'm sure many Indians would feel the same way - so stop being a hypocrite.
Quote:What's the point of my condemning the acts; is that supposed everything all better? Are they suddenly going to stop if I do so?
The point is that if you combine with other muslims in unconditional condemnation then maybe it
will make things better. The least it will show is that you take your own "moral duty" seriously instead of merely preaching to others. If muslims want respect it starts with such simple acts as these.
brahmin wrote:
not being a hypocrite. we are already taught that the sooner we do away with the caste system the better.................
....the culture of a people (arabs) who are the very scum of the earth...
Interesting to see two statements in a single post.
yes.
and if you knew anything about the education system of india OR about the real culture of arabs (which we indians have been rather unfortunate to come to know), you'd know that i was right on both counts.
SEXUAL
Lash wrote:Sex is SO bad in fact that the evil woman must be covered like a leper to protect the innocent man from desire, and her vagina has to be ripped apart or sewn up, leaving a tiny spot for a freakish sickass man of the "faith" to disfigure her in order to get himself off.
Separate
ISLAM and various cultures please...
ISLAM and terrorism
ISLAM and hate/Subjugation of women in various cultures
ISLAM and the untruth.
Compare
ISLAM with modesty and fidelity
ISLAM and peace
ISLAM with rights of women
and so on
Please avoid HEARSAYS and PROPAGANDA...it will never help
Re: SEXUAL
Separate
ISLAM and various cultures please...
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I WISH I COULD SEPERATE ISLAM FROM INDIAN/HINDU CULTURE LIKE CHARLES MARTEL ER,.. SEPERATD ISLAM FROM EUROPEAN CULTURE.
ISLAM and terrorism
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ISLAM AND TERRORISM HAVE BEEN INSEPERABLE SINCE DAY ONE.
ISLAM and hate/Subjugation of women in various cultures
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SUBJUGATION AND TREATMENT OF WOMEN LIKE ANIMALS IS INTRINSIC IN ISLAM AND ARAB CULTURE(FROM WHERE ISLAM COMES BTW)
ISLAM and the untruth.
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ISLAM IS ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES OF UNTRUTH THAT MANKIND HAS BEEN UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO KNOW.
Compare
ISLAM with modesty and fidelity
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THE MOST MODEST THING ABOUT ISLAM IS ITS CONTRIBUTION TO ARTS AND SCIENCES ALL THROUGH ITS EXISTANCE. AND RIGHT THROUGH ITS HISTORY ISLAMICS HAVE SHOWN VERY HIGH LEVEL OF FIDILITY (AND RUTHLESSNESS) ON THE BATTLEFIELDS OF VARIOUS COUNTRIES.
ISLAM and peace
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ISLAM AND PEACE ARE NOT TWO WORDS WHICH SIT WELL TOGETHER.
THERE IS NO WAY THEY CAN BE COMPARED. NO NATION HAS EVER KNWN AN IOTA OF PEACE EVER SINCE THEY HAD ISLAMICS AMIDST THEM. ISLAM IS A PEACE OF MURDEROUS **** AT BEST.
ISLAM with rights of women
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ISLAM BELIEVES THAT MAN HAVE ALL SORTS OF RIGHTS OVER WOMEN INCLUDING HAVING MANY WIVES AT A TIME OR DIVORCING WITH 3 WORDS. WOMEN HAVE BEEN LEFT WITH NO RIGHTS EVER SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN INDUCTED INTO ISLAMIC CULTURE.
Please avoid HEARSAYS and PROPAGANDA...it will never help
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TRUTH AND HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WILL HELP THOUGH, ALWAYS DOES.
You and Hell seem to be inseperable as well; may you enjoy your eternal life there along with the rest of them.
hell looks like a better place, now that we still have islam on this planet.
