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The Hour is Near

 
 
Raul-7
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 01:16 am
Read this article and no it is NOT biased, nor does it relate to any religion, it justs proves that God does infact exist. It's science-based so I'm sure you'll like it.

http://www.harunyahya.com/articles/70scientific_world.php
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 01:43 am
A scientist died and was on his way to heaven when the Devil diverted him with the offer of a nice appartment etc, if he could sort out a problem with the gas furnace.

God called the Devil and threatened to sue if he did't return "His goods".
The Devil replied "How ? I've got all the lawyers !"
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 01:49 am
Go on with your mocking and ignorance-

"The likeness of those who disbelieve is that of someone who yells out to something which cannot hear - it is nothing but a cry and a call. Deaf - dumb - blind. They do not use their intellects." (Surat al-Baqara: 171)

"Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.

Allâh has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allâh's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment." (Surah Al-Baqarah:6-7)

"If anyone contends with the Messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men of Faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and consign him to Hell: an evil refuge." (An-Nisa, 115)
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 01:50 am
Re: The Hour is Near
Raul-7 wrote:
… It [the Last Hour] will not come until you see ten signs…
Wow I better not go for a drive!
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 01:52 am
Yes, you'd better stay in denial and wait for your new dwelling in Hell.

But instead, they deny the Hour; and We have prepared a searing blaze for those who deny the Hour. (Qur'an, 25:11)
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 01:54 am
Why do you say I'm in denial?
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 01:57 am
Why are you mocking the hadith of the prophet?
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 01:57 am
Raul-7,

Your article is somewhat dated because Flew later retracted. (Flew away :wink: )
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 02:01 am
Raul-7 wrote:
Why are you mocking the hadith of the prophet?
In what way am I mocking the hadith of the prophet?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 02:03 am
Raul-7,
Why are you questioning my faith?
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 02:05 am
Then comment on the Hour? Unless of course you follow fresco and the rest of the unbelievers.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 02:05 am
Raul-7,
Where are you? Please come back.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 02:41 am
Raul-7 wrote:
Read this article and no it is NOT biased, nor does it relate to any religion, it justs proves that God does infact exist. It's science-based so I'm sure you'll like it.

http://www.harunyahya.com/articles/70scientific_world.php


The article proves nothing but that its author is a religionist, and writes with a religionist bias and a disregard for fact or proper forensic practice. I submit that not only is the article indeed biased, but also that it amounts to proselytizing, per the focus of the website on which it appears. Interestingly, the article neglects to mention Flew, the "Reformed Athiest" at the center of its proposition, in no way endorsed, and in fact rejected, the tenets of the Abrahamic mythopaeia, Flew stating "I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam ... ", and emphatically disavowing any belief in an afterlife.

The article goes on to misconstrue several statements made by scientists, implying, for instance, that Francis Crick, co-discoverer of DNA, endorses ID-iocy:
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Francis Crick, for instance, one of the scientists who revealed the helix shape of DNA admitted in the face of the findings regarding DNA that the origin of life indicated a miracle:

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.
. Taken out of context, and construed to fit the article's premise, the Crick quote never the less does not indicate Crick's endorsement of any religionist tenet.

In fact, the following is an accurate representation of Crick's view on the issue:
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... Speaking to The Telegraph, Crick, 86, said: "The god hypothesis is rather discredited." Indeed, he says his distaste for religion was one of his prime motives in the work that led to the sensational 1953 discovery.

"I went into science because of these religious reasons, there's no doubt about that. I asked myself what were the two things that appear inexplicable and are used to support religious beliefs: the difference between living and nonliving things, and the phenomenon of consciousness."

Crick argues that since many of the actual claims made by specific religions over 2,000 years have proved false, the burden of proof should be on the claims they make today, rather than on atheists to disprove the existence of God.
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The article is biased, it is unscientific, it is dishonest, and it is typical of its genre. Poppycock is poppycock, whether Judaic, Islamist or Christian. That is not to say there may not be validity to any such proposition, but merely to point out the poppycock so far in these discussions employed to prop up any religionist proposition is what it is; poppycock.

While religionists frequently cite one or another fringie who falls in with their particular fairytale, or twist the words of reputable scientists and academicians to offer the appearance of support for their absurd proposition, the fact of the matter is the overwhelming majority of the scientific and academic communities unambiguously reject any semblence or itteration of any sort of supernatural causality.

Now, once again, demonstrate objectively that faith be differentiable from superstition.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 02:49 am
Not that I disagree with your positions (in fact I wholly concur and like reading them) but why put effort into responding to Raul-7, a feller who clearly has no interest or intention in rational discourse?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 03:02 am
I do it for much the same reason I cheer on a bob-tailed dog chasing its tail stump; its fun to watch 'em get all excited about something that just ain't gonna get 'em anything but excited, no matter how frantically they spin around. They're convinced if they just try hard enough, they'll get ahold of that thing that really ain't there - why not enjoy their futile - but entertaining - efforts?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 07:05 am
The end? Ah, just watch any comely lady as she walks away. Now there's a real end for you.
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Francis
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 07:06 am
Can I make a spoonerism, that makes sense, with "the hour is near"?

- The "nour" is here.
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 07:12 am
Francis,

Expliquez s'il vous plait !

"Nour" = "Knower" ou "Nour" ="Now -er"
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Francis
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 07:18 am
Non,

Nour=dawn, in arab.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 12:52 pm
Raul-7 wrote:
Why are you mocking the hadith of the prophet?

Who would mock such wisdom?

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 200:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
That once he was in the, company of the Prophet carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it (i.e. the pot), The Prophet said, "Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung."

"What about the bone and the animal dung?" He said, "They are of the food of Jinns. The delegate of Jinns of (the city of) Nasibin came to me--and how nice those Jinns were--and asked me for the remains of the human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them."
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