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Wed 1 Feb, 2006 03:25 am
If I were to choose which one to follow, I would have preferred Ringo to Paul, anyday.
Along the same line of thought here is an article about the differences between Jesus and Paul.
http://www.wordwiz72.com/paul.html
A quote from the site;
Quote:"Paul (originally as Saul of Tarsus) was an admitted persecutor of Christians who might have found a more effective way to undermine the followers of Jesus. Perhaps he infiltrated their ranks and taught a doctrine that opposed Jesus on several fronts, replacing Jesus' selfless teaching of universal compassionate action with a selfish teaching of desire to gain a "free gift" of salvation based only on faith and completely devoid of any behavioral requirement or obedience to law, and distracting us from the selfless teachings of Jesus.
Jesus teaches that BEHAVIORAL requirements (works/deeds), rooted in an internal change of spiritual growth within the person (not external or apart from the person, though the gift of teaching and techniques to achieve this personal change are a gift of grace not earned or deserved by us, but requiring ACTIONS [deeds] to implement), are integral to salvation. While perhaps it is not possible for us to "earn" the "free gift" that Jesus DID give -- a teaching of the universal compassionate love by which the evil within us CAN be transformed into a more holy kindness of love -- Jesus clearly includes a behavioral component to his requirements for "salvation." While he does not say that this satisfies any "debt," he still requires it; perhaps he is demanding merely a small partial "payment" as a gesture of "good faith." (In fact, James suggests this by his comments in James 2:26, that we demonstrate our faith -- if it is genuine -- BY our works or deeds.)"
Quote:Muslims are circumcised; therefore they are the true followers of Jesus.
What does this have to do with being followers of Christ. I think there are far more important things to consider than what one does with their dick.
Quote:It is wrong and dishonest to quote anything or any book out of context, whether it be the Bible or the Qur'an. No Muslim should resort to such an approach.
But Muslims do. Muslims are no different from Christians when it come to selectively quoting their religious books in order to give validity to their dogma.
Quote:Christians have debunked their Scriptures by rejecting them. Why did the Church legalize same-sex marriage? It's because they are NOT the followers of Jesus. Such ideas are repugnant to the human mind.
What "Church" would you be talking of? Certainly not the Catholic Church; or the conservative evangelicals. Are you assuming those, more liberal, churches that approve homosexual marriages speak for all of Christianity?
You say same sex marriage is repugnant to the human mind. Maybe yours since you seem to have a problem with this issue. It's not a problem with me and I am not a homosexual.
I think love between two people is far more important than the gender of those people. I think rights for Americans should be the same for all Americans and not just heterosexuals.
One thing Muslims have a serious problem with is human rights and freedom. What is it Muslims do to those who criticize or poke fun of Muhammad?
They kill them!
Quote:9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
So... Muslims are anus lovers? Is that what you're getting at?
Either that or @ssholes . . . it's hard to tell which . . .
Good grief, dude. Another one?! At least work on boiling it down, a little. Just make one or two points. I swear to God, nobody is reading all of this. The word is "CONCISION".
echi wrote:Good grief, dude. Another one?! At least work on boiling it down, a little. Just make one or two points. I swear to God, nobody is reading all of this. The word is "CONCISION".
Can't really boil down what he's pulling off a website. I'd be surprised if he's even 80% knowledgeable of what he's pasting.
Questioner wrote:echi wrote:Good grief, dude. Another one?! At least work on boiling it down, a little. Just make one or two points. I swear to God, nobody is reading all of this. The word is "CONCISION".
Can't really boil down what he's pulling off a website. I'd be surprised if he's even 80% knowledgeable of what he's pasting.
whats wrong with pulling it off a website when the verses are directly in the bible? go to the NIV bible website and check and compare the verses i pulled off the website
I'd be surprised if he knew his elbow from his a**hole.
whats wrong with pulling it off a website when the verses are directly in the bible? go to the NIV bible website and check and compare the verses i pulled off
Hey Dude
In your response to me what was your point other than you don't like Christians.
What you were trying to say got lost in all your garbage.
Here's a new word for you to learn.
CONCISE-Expressing much in few words; clear and succinct.
Why don't Muslims marry children like Mohammed did?
DrewDad wrote:Why don't Muslims marry children like Mohammed did?
WHY DONT CHRISTIANS RAPE 3 YEAR OLD GIRLS LIKE THE BIBLE ORDERED THEM TO?
WHY DONT CHRISTIANS STONE APOSTATES TO DEATH LIKE THE BIBLE ORDERED THEM TO?
WHY DONT CHRISTIAN FATHERS STICK THEIR TWO FINGERS COVERED WITH A CLOTH INTO THEIR DAUTHERS TO PROVE THEYRE VIRGINS LIKE THE BIBLE OREDERED THEM TO?
DrewDad wrote:Why don't Muslims marry children like Mohammed did?
WHY ARENT RAPED WOMAN FORCED TO MARRY THEIR RAPISTS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES LIKE THE BIBLE ORDERED THEM TO?
Rape is a big crime that could actually take the woman's or the victim's life away. Let us examine how Christianity deals with the rapist: "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:28)" Although this Verse from the Bible only talks about virgins, but its the only verse in the entire Bible that talks about raping single women. Not to be biased or anything, but the Bible seems to have quite weird things in it that are quite irrational and quite ridiculous. Deuteronomy 22:28 forces the raped woman to marry her rapist. My question to the writers of the Bible is why in the world would any raped female victim want to be in the same town, not the same bedroom !! with her rapist?.
Also, the Bible seems to promote raping of single women: "But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:25)" This is quite an interesting verse. We see in Deuteronomy 22:28 that if a man rapes a single woman then she will be forced to be his wife, while if a man rapes a married woman or a woman who is spoken for, in Deuteronomy 22:25, then he shall be put to death. There is absolutely no punishment for the rapist of a single woman in the Bible. For those Christians who think that they don't have to follow the Old Testament, well my answer to them is this: The Old Testament prohibits for the brother to marry his sister, or for the son to marry his mother. The New Testament doesn't even talk about it. Does that mean that a Christian brother can marry his sister? or a Christian son can marry his mother? Jesus himself anyway ordered his followers to follow the Old Testament, so their argument is totally invalid.
Question to Jews and Christians: How is the Bible supposed to prevent some loser from stalking the most beautiful single woman in town, rape her, and then sue her in court to become his wife so he can continue raping her for the rest of her life?!
WHY DONT CHRISTIAN FATHERS SELL THEIR DAUGHTERS AS SLAVES TO MEN WHO ARE AS OLD AS THEIR GRANDFATHERS? BECAUSE ITS ALLOWED IN THE BIBLE
Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible:
Exodus 21:7-11
7. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.
8. "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.
9. "If he designates her for his son [Note: "his son" means that the master is either her father's age or even much older!], he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters.
10. "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.
11. "If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
First of all, did the daughter have any choice to be sold off by her father, married off by her master to either himself or his son? No!
Also, the fact that the master can either marry her or marry her off to his son, means that MOST LIKELY, SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER'S AGE and younger than his son!! So he's probably at least 30+ years older than her. Yet, he himself (her father's age or even MUCH older) can marry her.
Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters in the Bible:
Let us look at the following Verses in the Bible: "If a man takes a wife and, after laying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof [how do you think they would do that?] that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl's father will say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity.' Then her parents shall display the cloth [the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married and keep that bloody cloth for as long as his daughter is married] with before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:13-18)"
Here is a more clear translation from Hebrew Resources: "The girl's father and mother shall produce the evidence of the girl's virginity before the elders of the town at the gate. And the girl's father shall say to the elders, "I gave this man my daughter to wife, but he had taken an aversion to her; so he has made up charges, saying, 'I did not find your daughter a virgin.' But here is the evidence of my daughter's virginity!" And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the town. (From the New JPS translation, Deuteronomy 22:15-17)"
The New JPS translation of Deuteronomy 22:15-17 makes it even more clear about having the parents of the girl displaying the bloody piece of cloth before the elders of the town.
According to the Talmud, the cloth should be "A cloth of less than 3 square finger-breadths. (From the Talmud, Eruvin 29b-30a and Succah 16a)", and before it is being used, it should be "soft, woolen and clean. (From the Talmud, Niddah 17a)"
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