Britain Paedophiles paradise

It's a horrendous story yes. I don't get the paedophile paradise bit.

I'm thinking the sentencing was a little lean.

Yep. Should have been life without parole (I missed that on the first reading). We have similar problems here. I don't know what it will take to have sentencing laws changed for these crimes.

Here, too, I think.

I don't understand the "paradise" part, Don.

This guy will go immediately into a segregated wing of a maximum security prison, purely for his own safety. There is then, I would say, a 75% certainty that he will receive severe "punishment" from ordinary prisoners on multiple occasions, somewhere down the line.

If, and when (it is very rare for a paedophile who commits such an offence to gain maximum parole allowance) he is finally released, he will have to register himself with his local police, report there regularly and attend probation appointments, probably for the rest of his life.
The press will receive good information from ordinary prisoners re. any impending release date, and do their utmost to publicise his whereabouts, which will lead to severe hounding from his local community.

Paradise?

I see the in-jail pecking order is the same for paedophiles there as it is here.

Yes, littlek, once a prisoner gets the "nonce" (as they are known in prison)tag, the grapevine will swing into action and he can expect the usual treatment.
They are supposed to be safely segregated, but a blind eye turned here, a mistake made there, a dinner queue..........

What's 'nonce' mean?

Nonce is mainly the prison slang for a paedophile, although it CAN also apply to sex offenders in general. They are all classed as wierdos, but the paedo's get special attention.

Other "ordinary" prisoners will now be rubbing their hands as, whoever can inflict the most/first injury to him, will gain the most respect from their peers.

Does the word derive from another?

To be honest, I haven't a clue where it comes from. Here's what Wikipedia has to say....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonce


......"In the UK, the term nonce is a slang word used to refer to a sex offender, especially child sexual abusers, and thus as an insult. Folk etymologies for the origins of this word state that the word derives from Not Of Normal Criminal Ethos, used to mean an offender whose motivation was different from the purely acquisitive, or possibly Not On Normal Courtyard Exercise, for prisoners that were not to be mixed with the general population for their own safety. As with most cases, these folk etymologies are examples of backronyms and should not be taken seriously. The actual origin of this word is unknown, but it is probable that it is derived from nancy, a derogatory term referring to homosexual males. Several websites such as Noncewatch have been set up claiming to give details of such people, however whether the information is reliable or not is another matter."

BM

Thanks LordE

Lord E, the paradise part for paedophiles is that in the U.K it is normal to serve about half the time of the sentence so for f****** a twelve week old baby he will serve about six years and she two and a half.

Where in the world can paedophiles expect to be treated so leniently except Britain, the paedophiles paradise.

We had a case not long ago where a man raped a six year old and a 12 month old baby and was sentenced to 9 years, his time served will be 5 years

In a civilised country these two pieces of **** would be exterminated.

Don, from your link......"(he) will spend at least twelve years in jail."

He'll serve longer than that, IMO. I have not known many paedophiles get full parole.

You are right L.E. it is twelve years to be served, I lost the plot there I was so F***** angry, however in the cold light of day and after having my pot of Earl Grey I still think that these two pieces of **** should never see the light of day again, a prison cell untill death would be the proper sentence.

I have always had this idea that if every woman that was raped and every child that was killed by paedophiles, and every old lady that was beaten to death for her pension money was the child of, or the wife of or the mother of politicians and high court judges, do you think the sentence would be twelve years?

You are quoting and mixing different statutory offences here.

Bedies, I truely believe sentences should be ruled by the law and be what someone or another one or a poll etc thinks.

(I suppose, the sentence would have been very similar here, btw.)

I distinctly remember the first time I ever saw my Dad in a rage over this type of case. It was when I was a kid, and the Moors murderers were caught and tried. I think the whole country was fuming that Ian Brady and Myra Hindley escaped the rope.

Any offence against children provokes such a response, and it isn't surprising that the people would like to see this one rot in jail.

I have had the dubious honour of having some involvement with two quite serious cases, and have tracked the offenders through from sentence, to release, and then onto supervision programmes.
Both were put through a gruelling sex offenders therapy, where they are made to face up to what they have done, and see the lifelong effect it has had on other past victims who are still suffering, in one way or another, through their adult lives.
I have had lengthy conversations with a couple of Psyche trained people, who specialise in this area, and neither of them were convinced that any measure of treatment or therapy will cure a committed paedophile.

It is widely known that a practised paedophile is about the craftiest type of criminal there is, who knows exactly what to say at the right time, but all the while are manipulating the situation, in an effort to get out of supervision as quickly as possible, with a view to re-offending.

IMO, as far as criminals go, they are about as big a danger to society as you can get.

There is no magic solution, but keeping them away from society would seem to be about the safest bet, I think.

I am in no way an expert as to why these people behave the way they do, and only see it from the victims perspective, so my view may be somewhat tainted. It would be interesting to hear from someone more qualified to try and find out if there is any way that these people can be fully rehabilitated.
Personally, I think not.

Have been on both sites*, but have actually not in mind to discuss this here.

* probation office/prison; paedophiles outsite, in 'therapy, more 'limited' (plus related work with others) since they were menatlly disabled persons. (Which is really a hard work to deal with!)

Worked in various groups supporting victims as well.