Utopia

What evidence do you have of this?

Re: Utopia


The higher power is nature.
Its what it does.

All cells are NOT equal. Brain cells that must last a lifetime and store priceless memories are more important than the expendable and replaceable cells in your skin, blood and stomach lining.

Some cells (such as muscles) are controlled directly by the brain. Some are controlled by chemicals and hormones in your blood. Some, such as cancer cells and those involved in various autoimmune diseases, are unfortunately not under our control at all.

The brain controls the cells in the boy electrically using nerves and by causing chemicals and hormones to be dumped into the bloodstream. Have you ever read a biology textbook? Science has discovered more about the human body and brain than most people realize.

No, our bodies are not the perfect example of utopia but God is because only God is perfect and perhaps self-sufficient. I think that God is a mind and our individual minds that are separate from us, because thoughts don't exist anywhere in particular and no one knows where they originate from etc., are contained in God. That is how God knows all our thoughts. So you might ask that if a person steals then is God wrong? NO! Because it's the heart that makes the person steal, the heart is the person essentially and the mind is God. That is why I believe that people find it hard to get over addictions because it's the heart that is addicted, if it was the mind, the mind would rationalize the addiction OUT, but it can't because I think "the heart rules." Don't they say, 'The heart has reasons that reason does not understand.'

utopia?
Does anyone here know the real definition of Utopia? something beyond our reach, something perfect. Are we able to create - let alone - control something perfect? I don't think so. We are individuals, all proud of ourselves. how can we be perfect together if everyone is so different? - I'm not talking about the cells now, because Terry was right about that..

and abt addiction; addiction is simply not in our own control. addiction is a feeling, a longing of your body, to goods it likes. that's pure chemical. it's the same reason which makes us eat sweet things, for example, above spicy things. Sugar, by far the greatest energy supplier in nature.

And God, some believe in him, others dont, lets leave God in the middle, before we change the subject of the thread..

Utopia certainly doesn't have a good historical record. Most attempts in history to create them have ended disastrously. As Royales and Terry pointed out, even our metaphorical utopia here has behind it a "controlling power" where not every member is equal... it's hard to put that into practice and call it utopia. My guess is that utopia is the stuff of dreams, and should probably stay that way.

Utopia is just that. A perfect place that cannot and doesnot exist. Other terms for Utopia are Eden, and Eldorado.

It depends on what you mean by perfect. Do you mean everything as you want it to be, or do you mean everyone respected equally and free? Only by the latter can Utopia be ever achieved.

Ain't hard to find Utopia.



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That's what I said, Ralph, and I think you are right.

You see, we humans, are destructive from nature. We destroy everything around us, no matter what it is. So how is it that a destructive race should be perfect - let alone create something perfect?

Strangely, I think the picture captures quite nicely how utopia transfers from theory into practice.

The place on the picture looks like sh*t. How can Utopia, something perfect, be like that?

The real world ain't pretty, its real.

You don't have to say that, as I already knew. I was just saying that there's no way that could be the 'real' Utopia.

Well, if you want the real utopia, Here it is

well, as said; Utopia doesn't exist. This is primarily due to the fact that Utopia is Perfect.

Well, I don't know about you , but I'M perfect. Just ask me or my wife:)

One book I know that describes a utopia/eldorado is Voltaire's Candide. It's a good read especially if you like sarcasm.

You say Utopia is the stuff of imagination

We can only imagine how life managed to come about.

I feel the speculation that nothing is perfect, may be a little inaccurate. The concept of nature and life seem pretty perfect to me. In comparison to everything else that is.

Just soemthin to think about.

I've no doubt that certain kinds of perfection can exist, but utopian perfection is a pretty specific thing and not something I have much hope for. "The concept of nature and life" is a pretty vague illustration of perfection (unless you can be more specific about what you mean by nature's perfection, and in a way that isn't tautological) and doesn't quite apply to the kind of perfection implied by "utopia." Utopia refers specfically to the perfection of human behavior toward other humans, which has to be pretty un-abstract in order to work. Human interaction is a real thing and has real consequences, and in a utopian society everyone has to agree not to act toward someone else's disadvantage. (And as several people have pointed out in this forum, nature and life don't exactly provide an ideal model of that.) Unless you can find a way to guarantee that no one will abuse the trust, utopia will always be the stuff of imagination.