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Ariel Sharon in Hospital

 
 
Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 08:42 pm
I only have one to say about Sharon.

Time to pay the piper as$*ole
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 09:08 pm
I think the Palestinians are well on their way to screwing the pooch here. Realize it or not, accept it or not, Sharon's policies over the past few years have been the best thing that's happened for them in a long, long while.

I expect Hamas will handilly take control in the upcoming elections, and I expect as well the hotheads will ramp up provocation of Israel. The result of such ill-advised self-defeating insanity will neither please nor benefit the Palestinians.

That Sharon is gone, out of the picture, is a given. What is to follow depends much on what the Palestinians do; the fate of their next couple of generations, if not the entire prospect of ever gaining autonomous statehood, is in their own hands. Restraint and judgement have not been notable among their attributes as a socio-political entity.

Perhaps the ultimate stupidity available to the Palestinias at the moment would be way, way overplaying their hand and seeking to force major confrontation before Israel's mourning has ended and her internal political scene has stabilized. While Kadim might yet have prospect for some measure of influence following the March elections, imprudent action now or in the near term on the part of the Palestinians certainly will sweep Israel's hardliners into full control. Concession, concilliation, compromise, and accommodation will for a good, long while be paradigms of the past.

Only slightly more remote (which still amounts to being not at all remote) is the prospect of Iranian miscalculation of Israel's resolve and capabilities. With or without Palestinian or Iranian scewup, it is a safe bet the Middle East situation will be much different this summer than it was a few days ago.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 09:17 pm
Bennie will carpet bomb them.

Timber, you're right.

They didn't know how good they had it with Sharon.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 06:19 am
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(IsraelNN.com) Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is undergoing surgery at this time. Hadassah Medical Center officials report the neurosurgery will take several hours and continue into the start of the Sabbath.

Following a Friday morning CT scan, doctors detected fluctuations in the prime minister's blood pressure and intracranial pressure, signaling cerebral hemorrhaging. Mr. Sharon was immediately rushed into surgery.

While the medical team remains optimistic, they are signaling the prime minister's condition has taken a turn for the worse.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 10:48 am
Amigo wrote:
I only have one to say about Sharon.

Time to pay the piper as$*ole


A deciple of Pat Robertson has spoken. Did you send your tribute to the asshole yet?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 10:48 am
Doesn't look promising:


Sharon's Recovery Becomes More Unlikely
Jan 06 11:01 AM US/Eastern

By EMMA ROSS
AP Medical Writer


LONDON


The chances of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon recovering from his massive stroke became even more remote Friday after doctors reported more bleeding in his brain.

Surgeons operated on the 77-year-old premier again Friday for five hours in an effort to remove the latest blood clot and relieve swelling in his brain _ life-threatening complications that, while not unexpected, make the prospect of survival ever slimmer, experts say.

"It sounds like a last desperate attempt to salvage something, but the prognosis must now be terrible," said Dr. Anthony Rudd, a stroke specialist at St. Thomas' Hospital in London ...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jan, 2006 12:26 pm
Sharon's surgery to drain blood from his brain and relieve intracranial pressure ended after more than four hours, Hadassah Hospital spokeswoman Yael Bossem-Levy said.

Sharon showed "significant improvement" after the surgery, and intracranial pressure returned to normal, hospital officials said.

Despite the improvement, Sharon remains in serious condition, said Dr Mor-Yosef.

He said Sharon was returned to intensive care after the surgery and a brain scan.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 04:15 pm
They say he's improving still.

<hoping>
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Galilite
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 05:33 pm
au1929 wrote:
A deciple of Pat Robertson has spoken. Did you send your tribute to the **** yet?
Oddly, there is some mysticism in this story:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsa_diNura]Wikipedia[/url] wrote:
'Pulsa denura' instigated against Sharon

Jul. 26, 2005 15:57 Reported by YAAKOV KATZ

Far-right activists instigated a pulsa denura - Aramaic for 'lashes of fire' - death curse against Prime Minister Ariel Sharon last Thursday night in an effort to thwart the upcoming disengagement plan.

The ceremony was held late Thursday night at the gravesite of Shlomo Ben-Yosef?, a Betar member who was hanged by the British in 1938 for firing on an Arab bus in protest of numerous attacks by Arabs on Jewish targets.

Ten rabbis and kabalists, including Yosef Dayan - who instigated the same curse several months prior to the assassination of former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin - assembled at the gravesite, which is located near Safed.
Although, these guys cursed former mayor of Jerusalem Kollek 25 years ago and he is still alive at 94.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 05:38 pm
Galilite


Fools come in all shapes and sizes.
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Galilite
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2006 05:40 pm
au1929 wrote:
Fools come in all shapes and sizes.
Absolutely.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 01:44 am
From Haaretz:

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Specialists at Hadassah University Hospital, Ein Karem met Sunday morning to discuss the condition and future treatment of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who was admitted to the hospital Wednesday evening after suffering a severe stroke and cerebral hemorrhage.

After their discussions, the doctors decided to send the prime minister for another CT scan. They were also to decide when to rouse Sharon from his medically induced coma.

Until the prime minister regains consciousness, it will be impossible to determine the extent to which his brain has been damaged.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 10:35 am
BBB
I know this will sound like conspiracy theory paranoia, but I've been curious about some events since Sharon had his first minor stroke on December 18, 2005.

On January 4, 2006, 18 days after his first stroke, Sharon began feeling ill while spending Wednesday evening at his Negev Desert ranch with his sons and several associates, with symptoms variously reported as weakness and chest pain. His personal physician, Dr. Shlomo Segev, who was visiting to discuss the scheduled medical procedure, urged that the Israeli leader be taken to the hospital.

Sharon and a small entourage that included his sons Omri and Gilad made the 90-minute trip via an armored ambulance that is always on standby at the prime minister's Sycamore Ranch, arriving at Jerusalem's Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital shortly before 11 p.m.

Israeli television stations carried live footage of the motorcade speeding through the darkness toward Jerusalem. Sharon was carried into the trauma unit on a stretcher.

It was not immediately clear why it was decided to transport the prime minister to Jerusalem instead of to Soroka Hospital in the southern town of Beersheva, only a few miles from his ranch, or why a helicopter was not used instead of the mobile medical unit.

Israeli media reports said a helicopter had initially been summoned, but that Segev had decided the situation was not urgent. Initial reports said the prime minister had been able to sit up during the ride to the hospital.

My curiosity questions are:

Why was the corrective surgery scheduled 18 days after the first stroke?

Why did Sharon's physician prescribed potentially dangerous blood thinners to be taken over such a long period until the surgery?

Why was Sharon allowed to visit his ranch while taking dangerous blood thinners not under close supervision?

Why did Sharon's physician deem his discomfort not serious, knowing that blood thinners can be life threatening?

Why did Sharon's physician urged Sharon to go to the hospital but say his condition was not serious?

Why did Sharon's physician decide to drive Sharon to the hospital by auto instead of flying him by helicopter?

Why didn't Sharon's physician take Sharon to the closest hospital instead of Hadassah Hospital 90 minutes away?

How could such a series of flawed decisions occur?

I don't know Dr. Shlomo Segev's political party affiliation, but I'm curious to know if he is a member of the Likud Party.

BBB
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2006 10:23 pm
Ariel Sharon's improvement continues....

Sharon Responds to Pain Stimulation

By KARIN LAUB

JERUSALEM (AP) - Ariel Sharon started breathing on his own Monday and moved his right arm and leg in response to pain stimulation in what his surgeon called an important development. But it will be days before doctors can determine whether he is lucid or will be able to return to the job.

``The prime minister is breathing spontaneously,'' said Dr. Shlomo Mor-Yosef, the director of Hadassah Hospital, adding that the movements of Sharon's arm and leg marked ``a slight but significant improvement.''

Sharon's response is a ``very important'' sign and indicated his brain stem is working, said his chief surgeon, Dr. Felix Umansky, briefing reporters for the first time.

It is still too early, however, to assess what impact the massive bleeding he suffered in his right brain would have on his abilities to think and reason or on the left side of his body, Umansky said.

What Will Happen to the Middle East If PM Sharon Passes Away? ``We are just at the beginning of a very long way,'' the surgeon said. ``It's too early to talk about the cognitive issue.''

A final medical analysis on Sharon's long-term prognosis would end days of uncertainty over the fate of the 77-year-old prime minister, who many herald as the best hope for Mideast peace. Doctors said his chances of survival are better, but he is far from out of danger.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:19 am
That he survived this stroke is mind-boggling in itself. The Israeli medical industry is second to none.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2006 11:35 am
Failure to disclose Sharon's brain disease sparks furor
It seems that my previous post's suspicions were not so weird after all.
---BBB

Failure to disclose Sharon's brain disease sparks furor
By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI
Friday, January 13, 2006 Page A13
Associated Press, with Cox and Reuters

JERUSALEM -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's doctors faced new criticism yesterday for failing to divulge a brain disease discovered after his initial stroke and for prescribing blood thinners that may have contributed to a massive second stroke.

The criticism added to a growing chorus of questions about Mr. Sharon's treatment. Some experts, however, said there was no clear-cut answer.

As he lay comatose for an eighth day yesterday, a brain scan showed the remnants of the blood in his brain from last Wednesday's stroke have been absorbed, hospital officials said in a statement. In response, doctors removed a tube they had put into Mr. Sharon's skull to relieve pressure on his brain, the statement said.

In coming days, doctors may have to cut a hole in Mr. Sharon's throat to assist breathing. They are still waiting for the clearest sign of improvement: the moment he opens his eyes.

After Mr. Sharon, 77, suffered an initial, minor stroke on Dec. 18, doctors put him on an anticoagulant. At a news conference a few days later, doctors acknowledged blood thinners increased the risk of brain hemorrhage, but said the fear of a clot leading to another stroke was greater in this case.

The debate gained speed after the Haaretz daily revealed that Mr. Sharon also had cerebral amyloid angiopathy, a disease common in the elderly that weakens the blood vessels in the brain and increases the risk of hemorrhage.

Doctors confirmed they knew about the disease after the first stroke, but prescribed the blood thinners anyway, a move that outside experts criticized yesterday.

Also yesterday, conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson apologized for suggesting that Mr. Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for Israel's pullout from the Gaza Strip. In a letter to Mr. Sharon's son, Omri, the U.S. evangelist sought forgiveness for saying last week on his 700 Club television show that Mr. Sharon was "dividing God's land and I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course."

In response to Mr. Robertson's initial remarks, Israeli Tourism Minister Avraham Hirschson said on Wednesday that Mr. Robertson would not be involved in a planned $56-million Christian centre on the shore of the biblical Sea of Galilee in Israel.

Yesterday, Rami Levy, director-general of the Tourism Ministry, said other donors "from Israel's millions of other evangelical friends" could quickly be found to continue the centre.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2006 01:56 am
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Senior physicians not connected to the treatment of Sharon say his condition can now be defined as "a vegetative state." However, they stressed that the possibility of Sharon regaining consciousness cannot be ruled out, and some even said it is possible Sharon will recover some of his physical and mental functioning.

Based on the reports from Hadassah University Hospital, Ein Karem, "the implication is that Sharon is in a vegetative state," Dr. Avraham Lazri, a rehabilitation expert who is deputy hospital director and head of the brain injury department at the long-term care facility Reut, told Haaretz.

According to an intensive-care expert, "a patient after such a major stroke, who has been unconscious for so long and his condition remains serious and stable, is most likely in a vegetative state."

A vegetative state is defined as one in which a patient has a low level of consciousness and seems to be unaware of his surroundings. A vegetative state ranges in various degrees, including patients who breathe on their own with no help from a respirator. Patients maintain a sleep cycle, and may exhibit spontaneous movements that are of no functional significance. A response to pain stimuli, as Sharon has reportedly exhibited, is consistent with a vegetative state. "That is one of the things that distinguish a patient in a vegetative state from a state of deep coma," said Dr. Lazri.

Vegetative states are extremely hard for families to endure since such patients might open their eyes, laugh or shed tears - but despite all these encouraging signs they are still vegetative. "I tend to check every family report of a change or response. Usually I have to disappoint them," an intensive-care specialist told Haaretz.

Hadassah told Haaretz on Tuesday that Sharon remains unconscious, is breathing spontaneously with the help of a respirator, and there has been no change in his condition, which is still termed "serious and stable."

Lazri said he has encountered patients in Sharon's condition who fully regained consciousness, but "the frequency is low." Sharon's age, medical history and the severity of his stroke are not in his favor, he said, adding however that this case calls for careful assessment. "The tendency in the world is to wait six months from the time of the stroke to say whether or not someone will fully regain consciousness. You always have to be circumspect, because there may be exceptions."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/674651.html
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 11:52 pm
Lash wrote:
Bennie will carpet bomb them.


For maximum irony, Israel should systematically round them up and gas them.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 11:30 am
BBB
The latest information from the foreign press, but not US, is that Sharon is in a persistent vegetative state.

BBB
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 05:53 am
Doctors Give Comatose Sharon Feeding Tube

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/israel_sharon&printer=1
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