What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

Hey, Okie, i know . . . why don't you break with tradition and actually put your money where your mouth is. Tell us just which of your constitutional liberties is taken away by regulated capitalism. You know, as in quote the actual text of the constitution, and then show how regulating capitalism denies you your liberty.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Are you planning the assassination of your president already, okie?

An apology, or you go on ignore, that is over the top. Where in that video did you come up with that post, Walter. Where do you people get your ideas? Any respect for you is fast dwindling.

Put me on ignore.

You said that "Obama is a radical". Perhaps "a dictator wannabe".
Well, I'm against radicals, and I think that dictators should be tried to get rid off.

Your attitude, however, is so radical (perhaps onlöy here, what I do hope) that I honestly think you might be someone who uses all efforts to get his (political) will.

But put me on ignore, your (and my) real world wouldn't change.
As well as not a single fact - not from today nor from history.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter, Welcome to okie's Ignore clan; it doesn't bother me one iota, because I can still respond to his posts - to let others know this guy is loony!

This is a guy who belongs to the party that a) brings guns to political rallies, b) shouts racist remarks, c) fights against equal rights for all, and d) doesn't have an original idea of their own.

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@Setanta,

Okie has shown on another thread that he is unable to distinguish political systems from economic systems.

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@DrewDad,

That's because he's ignorant of both subjects.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

Okie has shown on another thread that he is unable to distinguish political systems from economic systems.

Not only there.

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@dyslexia,

LOL - lack of sleep, certainly, plus minor jet lag. This free-for-all on the last couple of pages is riotously funny - a true melee. I'm not a combatant here at this time, and not arguing with you - belatedly I managed to learn the wisdom of "you see crossfire, duck" Smile

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

Okie has shown on another thread that he is unable to distinguish political systems from economic systems.

Not only there.

They are pretty intertwined in my opinion, they do not exist separately and independent of each other, in fact political systems dictate the economic system to a very large extent. Do you disagree? Do you claim they are independent of each other? For example, a communist or very socialist country uses the same economic system, is that your belief?

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@okie,

Okie - allow for the fact that economic theories are in flux, see e.g. this from the new Economist:

Quote:

“IT IS usually agreed that casinos should, in the public interest, be inaccessible and expensive. And perhaps the same is true of stock exchanges.” John Maynard Keynes, writing in the 1930s, was in favour of making it costly to switch into and out of investments. With just a trace of English snobbery, he wrote approvingly of the high fees and taxes levied on share transfers in the City of London, which he contrasted with the lower turnover costs on Wall Street. The smooth workings of New York’s stockmarket served only to promote “speculation” over “enterprise”, he wrote. The sins of London were less grave.

Three generations on, public disgust with “casino capitalism” and the return of fat profits and bonuses in an industry so recently rescued from oblivion have led to new demands for a levy on securities trading.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14455661&source=hptextfeature

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@okie,

okie wrote:

They are pretty intertwined in my opinion, they do not exist separately and independent of each other, in fact political systems dictate the economic system to a very large extent.

That doesn't meant they're identical. Libertarian socialism is to the left of a social market economy, but it also propagates more individual freedom than conservatism.

If you're trying to use a one-dimensional political spectrum, you'd have to place libertarian socialism both to the left and to the right of conservatism.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Do you disagree? Do you claim they are independent of each other? For example, a communist or very socialist country uses the same economic system, is that your belief?

I have some difficulties what you call a communist and what a socialist country.
When you look at those countries which called themselves 'socialist' (like all from the former Warsaw pact), yes they used (nearly) the same economic system.

When you mean with 'socialist' countries with Labour/Social-Democratic governments - well, (nearly) all Western European countries follow the social market economy, no matter what party/parties rule or ruled, centre-right (conservatives) or centre-left (social democrats).

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It is entirely conceivable that there could be a nation with a communist command economy and a democratic government. The thing which mitigates against it the most is that it would require a high degree of constant citizen participation, so that the larger the population, the less likely such a state would succeed--but it certainly is not impossible.

As Walter points out, many western parliamentary democracies have had socialist governments, and it's very likely that they will in the future. The problem Okie has is that he cannot separate in his mind totalitarianism from socialism--he seems incapable of seeing any distinction.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

It is entirely conceivable that there could be a nation with a communist command economy and a democratic government.

Well, we had a couple of times countries with a free elected communist (in coalition, mainly) government and social market economy like before and afterwards (e.g. Italy).

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Okie will be along, Walter, sooner or later, to 'splain to us why that ain't so . . .

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@Walter Hinteler,

I remember the Italian communists - saw one of their ministers in Rome's Via Veneto (Cafe de Paris) once, who arrived driving a Lamborghini. I watched what they ordered at his table and they started with Roederer Cristal. Perhaps more of us should consider joining that party Smile

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@High Seas,

well I suppose it's not uncommon to see a communist driving a tractor.

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@dyslexia,

But in terms of brand of the tractor - that could be turbo-capitalism!

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@dyslexia,

Well, it is very uncommon to see a communist driving a tractor on 5th street..

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@Walter Hinteler,

Turbo-tractor? Not on your life. Now a Lamborghini, a jet, a yacht - and the Italians do have the most divine naval architects - the complete collection of Gianfranco Ferre (his assistant took over that house of couture) a palazzo in Venice and I might consider Party membership myself. I know Okie will never speak to me again after this.....

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@High Seas,

HS wrote:

I know Okie will never speak to me again after this.....

Given what you get as compensation, does it matter?

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