What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

my first post on this subect'

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final Helen post;

You're not thinking - if both of us are correct, and Okie is incorrect, neither of us can be more outlandish than he is. Unless of course we've crossed into some supercritical region like this one > http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=h2o > and then presumably all bets are off!
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In simple terms Helen my post was correct yours was not and yet you accuse me of being more outlandish than Okie. Jet Lag?

I suggest you do some reading on Nixon and you will find that what I have been telling you is not far off the mark. You can find opinions that Nixon was somewhat conservative in some aspects, but he also had liberal policies, others say he could have easily been a moderate Democrat, but my search of the web could not find anyone that claimed he was a good all around conservative, none. He was kind of all over the map, which you deride me for saying so, but sorry, I think there is alot of agreement over that. I don't know if you lived during that period, but I have the advantage of having done that, and so I have the advantage of remembering the mood, the general impressions of what he was like and what he did.

And I can tell you this, he was not well liked even by most of his voters, but the press hated him with a passion, and they railroaded the guy for something that many other presidents have probably done similarly but they turned a blind eye. For example, Camelot, or JFK, he wiretapped MLK and had women on a regular basis, apparently including a woman that turned out to be a German spy, in the whitehouse, plus other things, but they protected him. For some strange reason, the Kennedy family has been hands off by the press. I think the press hated Nixon from the time of the Rosenberg case and they were chomping at the bit for anything they could get old Tricky Dick on.

Okie, i lived through the entire Nixon presidency--and i was paying attention. After all, i had a double major in history and literature at university, which meant i read a lot, and was expected to understand current events, now and in the past.

In fact, i lived through his entire vice-presidency, from 1953 to 1961, although i was paying less attention then than i was from 1969 to 1974 when he served as President. But i don't need you and your simple-minded, self-serving and warped descriptions of life and times to tell me about Nixon.

Don't piss down my leg, Okie, and tell me it's raining.

A loser post, Setanta. If you think you have good opinions, you don't have to degrade and attack other people's intelligence or their political views. After all, yours is not the only one in the world, and just because you majored in history and literature does not give you a monopoly on any of it.

I noticed Chavez is telling the kids that capitalism is bad. How do you feel about that?

And now Diversity czar Mark Lloyd is now suggesting shutting down conservative media. Not a surprise. How do you feel about that, Mr. Setanta?

Who gives a flying _____ what Chavez says?

Here is Lloyd suggesting control of the media. Freedom of speech is a "structural problem." Hmmm, what does he want, TASS?

Another version of the same thing, with Beck and guest.

Is there any doubt now that Obama is a radical? Perhaps a dictator wannabe?

I have hoped against hope that I would not have to say this, but this is what it looks like. Now we perhaps know what all might be included in the mantra "CHANGE?"

Oh, you posted this again. Wait, let me post this here again, too:

Are you planning the assassination of your president already, okie?

You talk about loser posts, Okie? Every time someone points out to you that this or that person or party advocated a principle or implemented a policy of which you disapprove, you attempt to suggest that they're really not conservative at all--and this Nixon bullshit is a case in point. As i pointed out earlier, with a little effort (and not that much, really) you could be made to accuse nearly anyone of not being conservative in your point of view.

As for questioning someone's intelligence, you are the one who thought to lecture me about Nixon and his policies and their implications for his ideological purity, as though i didn't know anything about him or those times. If you're going to take that tone, you can expect people to react to you by pointing out what they know, and why they know it. Now you want to whine about having your intelligence or political views attacked. If you speak to others as though they were idiot children, you can expect this sort of reaction; you've made your bed and now you're whining about being obliged to lie in it. This is precisely why i told you i don't need you pissing down my leg and trying to tell me it's raining.

As for your political opinions, do you really think you get a free pass on that? Do you seriously expect that y0u can go into the public market place of ideas, and not have your point of view challenged, or even ridiculed? You're living in fantasy land, lad.

Capitalism is a bad thing. Capitalists should not be let out in public unless they are on a very short leash, and we should never take our eyes off them because they'll rob us blind the first chance they get, exploit anyone and everyone, trash the world in which we live and then piss and moan about how hard it is for them to do business. Here's a clue for you Okie, societies are not organized and governments are not instituted so that the greedy can separate you from as much of your hard-earned money as you can be duped into parting with. There is no dispensation from god on high which says that unrestrained capitalism is a basic right of the grasping bullies of the world. Indeed, capitalism is a very bad thing, and should only be legally practiced under great restraints and regulation.

Since i don't read or listen to or watch "conservative" media, it would be no great loss to me. But it's hilarious that you even mention that considering the mantra conservatives make of claiming the news is owned and run, lock, stock and barrel by "the liberal media"--cognitive dissonance is alive and well in the reactionary community. Don't get your panties in a twist, Okie, no one has shut down anything, and it is extremely unlikely that any attempt to do so will happen. I know that in your scary world, Democrats are monstrous socialists who will stick at nothing, but whether or not you believe it, they are as dedicated to free expression as any Republican.

That sounds good from somebody who has me on Ignore because he couldn't handle having his views challenged.

Does Set really think that he can go into the public market place of ideas and shut his ears to selected aspects of that market and continue in the debate.

I've read Six Crises and Mr Nixon was basically a liberal. He promoted an incomes policy and coming off the gold standard. By the side of a real conservative, such as Alan Clark, he was a pussy. I admired him.

He believed in monogamy for goodness sake.

You are arguing within a hair that won't split. Such is modern politics.

An apology, or you go on ignore, that is over the top. Where in that video did you come up with that post, Walter. Where do you people get your ideas? Any respect for you is fast dwindling.

It has taken me a while to actually grasp the reality that many liberals really are anti-capitalist, anti free market, anti-American, just anti-liberty. You, my friend, have just explained why you have the weird ideas you have, and personally I see no hope of ever debating anything reasonably with you. Sorry it has to be that way, but count on this, I will be voting against your ilk at every election and I hope and pray your ilk does not gain enough control to destroy this country.

From now on I know one thing, your arguments hold no credibility at all, if you cannot even figure out which end is up in regard to the correct political system, I don't have much interest in debating you anymore. After all, why talk to a person that wants to rob me blind and take away the liberties guaranteed in this country's constitution? Talking is a futile pursuit in that case.

Total and absolute baloney. Do not believe it. I forgot, I said it was futile to engage you in conversation, but this comment is for the benefit of others, and about the last thing I will say to you, Setanta.

Oh, C'mon, Okie. It's an exaggeration of your and Beck's position, but not a big one.

I mean, if you truly believe that Obama is this nefarious devil, are you and others just going to sit back and let him 'wreck' America?

The language that you and Beck utilize has consequences and leads to things.

Cycloptichorn

Oh really, just try protesting at a Bush town hall or wearing a shirt that the Republicans don't like. You quickly see the authoritarian side come out.

Cycloptichorn

I will say the same thing to you, cyclops that I said to Walter. Your comments are your imagination. An apology, or go on ignore, I am done with your nonsensical and baseless accusations.

I don't make baseless accusations against you, Okie; and I said in my previous comment that Walter was exaggerating. You can choose to do what you wish. But I will suggest to you that you do not place people on ignore; I have never found that to be satisfying or a good way to engage in conversation.

Believe me, you've said some **** over the years that's made me want to tear you a new one and then place you on ignore - some of it very rude and uncomplimentary towards my beliefs and my intelligence - but I didn't, and I'm glad I didn't.

Cycloptichorn

This is just more of your drivel. You cannot see that America does not equal capitalism, that liberty does not equal capitalism. As for free markets, there never have been free markets and there never will be--dream on. I have no "ilk," and if i did, you're not bright enough to identify them.

You write of "the correct political system." All that means is the political system you want to see, and everyone else can go **** themselves. You have no basis whatsoever to suggest that you are going to be robbed, or that anyone will deny you your constitutionally acknowledged liberties.

What you are puking up here is mere hysteria--panic at the thought that government might no forward exactly the program you want, and no other.