What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

From where they're standing, though, Walter . . . they're on the right.

Yes, I noticed that. And you

Just reviewed again Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, plus how extreme socialists play the game. They use personal attacks rather than debating evidence, such as ridiculing your intelligence, etc. Also another important point, they accuse the right of doing what they do. After considering Setanta's argument that the Patriot Act measures were like the Reichstag and how ridiculous the claim was, I then remembered this tactic - yes, accuse the opposition of your own tactics.

I finally had enough with cicerone imposter, and now dyslexia, with their personal ridicule, so on ignore list they went, and I think will stay there until attitudes change.

Right now in America, when Obama begins losing favor, he and his cronies begin to resort to things like accusations of racism, that is always their ace card. They did it during the campaign, and now even Carter, the man is a pathetic figure when viewed as a past president. He keeps looking for favor, for a legacy, but just can't find one, so he chimes in to try to curry favor with his party and with the press.

I heard a black man call in to a talk show and said he attended the demonstration in D.C., and that he was absolutely sick of the likes of the race baiters and the like, people like Sharpton, etc. It takes guts for a man like that to stand up for his beliefs now, and he and people like him are to be commended and admired. That is why I greatly admire the black conservatives, they have a tougher row to hoe than some of the rest of us because they not only have to stand up to the liberal opposition, but they have to endure the downright vicious attacks from other black people. The left is a truly vicious political philosophy right now, here in the United States, and they will use any lever that they can utilize to further their aims, whether it be environmentalism, race, or any other wedge issue.

That is interesting. So you really can read minds, okie, or how else do you notice the change?

Now you're lying. Please post a link to the post in which i compared the Patriot Act to the Reichstag Fire Act, or admit that you are a goddamned liar.

Is that remark personal enough for you, Okie?

okie has both of us on Ignore. LOL

True to their nature, liberals in our House of Representatives now limit speech, so our representatives cannot:

• call the President a “liar.”
• call the President a “hypocrite.”
• describe the President’s veto of a bill as “cowardly.”
• charge that the President has been “intellectually dishonest.”
• refer to the President as “giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”
• refer to alleged “sexual misconduct on the President’s part.”

Are the rest of us next?

And of course, criticizing the president is racial, according to them. When was the last time Michael Steele accused his detractors of racism when they rip him to shreds? Answer, he hasn't, because he has some degree of decency.

Oh, they made it illegal for people to say those things? Or they merely enforced rules - pre-existing rules - which limit you from accusing the President of these things while he is addressing Congress?



My guess is that yes, you too will be prevented from doing these things in Congress while the president is addressing the place.



Criticizing the prez isn't inherently racial, but racial prejudice motivates much of the criticism.

Cycloptichorn

okie doesn't understand that congress has rules for its members. Typical conservative meme is it's okay when conservatives break the rules and the laws established by our Constitution, but not okay when liberals do the same thing. They forget quickly that conservatives impeached Clinton for a personal-sexual indiscretion, but they don't want congress to impeach Bush for all his lies and the illegal law breaking that includes illegal wiretaps on Americans. Bush lied when he told the American people they get court authorization on wiretaps. Compared to Clinton, Bush was a dangerous law-breaker, but they didn't want impeachment proceedings against Bush.

Okie brings to mind the famous words of Hunter S Thompson "Too weird to live, and too rare to die."

So, Okie, when are you going to answer my post? You alleged that i had compared the Patriot Act to the Reichstag Fire Act. I called you a liar. You can quickly clear all that up by posting a link to the post in which i made the alleged comparison. Or, you can acknowledge that you were wrong.

By the way, in the midst of the tortured, putative "logic" you used in that post, i didn't find an explanation of how criticism of the Patriot Act constitutes a personal attack. Do you mean that would constitute a personal attack on those members from among the 535 members of Congress who voted for it? Pretty odd contention for you to have made, whatever justification you claim for it.

Cicerone - at this point I can't think of anything that WILL help any. Anybody with any ideas, please post them....

Well I hope Okie decided to accept Rockhead's hospitality in the tepee and the two of them plus company are sitting happily there smoking a peace pipe....And, Walter, he didn't really call you a nazi sympathizer, or socialist even - at least as far as I've been able to ascertain from these lengthy posts. Speaking of center-left, btw, I thought of something positive to say about Willy Brandt: he was one of few, very few, in the SPD who supported Helmut Kohl in the reunification effort. Schroeder certainly didn't, and Lafontaine was a joke.

One in seven Germans wants the Berlin Wall back

Walter - it would have been more than that if the true costs of the Einheit had been accurately known in advance. Chancellor Kohl knew that - he was (is) a much more intelligent man than usually given credit for. That's why, I think, he went along with the (illegal, imho) nationalization of properties expropriated by both Nazi and Communist regimes in the eastern Laender. Roughly 4 million properties (buildings, lands, woods) were never returned to their righful owners. Look forward to reading your article in a moment, thank you.

How could that be? I didn't think that the Nazis had any leftist policies, they were supposed to be right wing people that like private property rights?

Thompson said many memorable things, including:
"It was the Law of the Sea, they said. Civilization ends at the waterline. Beyond that, we all enter the food chain, and not always right at the top."
Funny you should remember him - haven't heard of him in the longest time.

My apologies. That was oe that did that here:
http://able2know.org/topic/66117-87#post-3759860

Okie - really, I must draw the line at comments on my relatives! At any one time at least half the East Prussian officer corps thought Hitler was stark, raving, mad, and many of them were actively involved in efforts to assassinate him. These were good military men, but absolute zeroes in the assassination business, sadly. As and when their involvement in these plots - however distant - became known they got arrested and their families' properties were taken over by the state. Nothing to do with political views, right, left, or center.

P.S. upon reflection, and knowing my relatives' political views, if any of them had heard of your concept that Hitler was a leftist, they would have become even more motivated and probably have succeeded in assassinating him

High Seas, I meant nothing personal, so my apologies. I am only pointing out the fact that Hitler was not friendly to personal property rights or business when it suited him, which I do believe most definitely relates to political philosophy. I agree he was crazy, and credit to your relatives for figuring that out.