Robbing banks is not a federal function unless it crosses state lines. LOL
(1)- So, that would mean a missile defense system is NOT a legitimate government function.
(2)- An airforce is not a legitimate government function.
(3)- The interstate highway system is not a legitimate government function.
(4)- The Louisiana purchase MUST be returned since that was not a legitimate government function. Alaska must be returned to Russia as well.
(5)- NASA isn't a legitimate government function.
(6)- The FCC isn't a legitimate government function. (That means Rush Limbaugh is illegally broadcasting in violation of the constitution since the government sold the airwaves he is on. They are open to everyone and I should be allowed to jam any station he is on since he has no constitutional right to broadcast on that frequency.)
(7- )Immigration is NOT a legitimate government function. (Only naturalization is.)
There can be no federal criminal law since it isn't listed as a legitimate function in the constitution. (Robbing banks is no longer a federal crime.)
Article I.Section 8. The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
(6)- To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
(7)- To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
(3)- To establish post offices and post roads;
(5)- To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
(1), (2), (5)- To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
(1), (2), (5)- To provide and maintain a navy;
(1), (2), (5)- To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
(1), (2), (5)- To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
(4)- To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
(1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)----To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
Quote:Since airforce, interstates, missile defense, purchase of Louisiana, the FCC and immigration are NOT mentioned in the constitution they can NOT be legitimate government functions if you say anything not mentioned is NOT a function.
Article I.Section 8. The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
(6)- To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; Radio is NOT commerce among the states so it isn't covered by this. I don't have to pay a dime for radio in order to get it so it isn't commerce at all let alone commerce between two states.
(7)- To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; immigration is NOT naturalization and immigration is NOT mentioned at all.
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
(3)- To establish post offices and post roads; The interstate system was NOT created as a post road
(5)- To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; NASA isn't an inventor or author so not covered here
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
(1), (2), (5)- To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; Missile system isn't an army. The airforce isn't the army. NASA isn't an army.
(1), (2), (5)- To provide and maintain a navy; Missile system isn't a navy, Airforce isn't a navy, NASA isn't a navy.
(1), (2), (5)- To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; Missile system isn't a land or naval force, Airforce isn't a land or naval force. NASA isn't a land or naval force.
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
(1), (2), (5)- To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; Missile system isn't a militia, Airforce isn't a militia, NASA isn't a militia.
(4)- To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And The Louisiana Purchase wasn't to erect a fort, magazine, arsenal or dockyard. Alaska wasn't purchased to erect those buildings either. Nor were they purchased from a state as required by the constitution.
(1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)----To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
(1)- So, that would mean a missile defense system is NOT a legitimate government function.
FALSE!
(2)- An airforce is not a legitimate government function.
FALSE!
(3)- The interstate highway system is not a legitimate government function.
FALSE!
(4)- The Louisiana purchase MUST be returned since that was not a legitimate government function. Alaska must be returned to Russia as well.
FALSE!
(5)- NASA isn't a legitimate government function.
FALSE!
(6)- The FCC isn't a legitimate government function. (That means Rush Limbaugh is illegally broadcasting in violation of the constitution since the government sold the airwaves he is on. They are open to everyone and I should be allowed to jam any station he is on since he has no constitutional right to broadcast on that frequency.)
FALSE!
(7- )Immigration is NOT a legitimate government function. (Only naturalization is.)
There can be no federal criminal law since it isn't listed as a legitimate function in the constitution. (Robbing banks is no longer a federal crime.)
FALSE!
Article I.Section 8. The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
(6)- To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
Radio and TV broadcasting and advertising constitutes commerce among the several states
(7)- To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
The uniform rule of naturalization was predicated on rules of immigration for the people who might seek naturalization. Also, "Article I. Section 9. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight ..." That of course implies that immigration can be regulated by Congress after 1808.
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
(3)- To establish post offices and post roads;
Interstate highways are in fact roads used to transport posts.
(5)- To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
NASA is promoting the progress of science that is secured by exclusive rights to discoveries of technology for space travel and exploration.
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
(1), (2), (5)- To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
Armies are supported by missile defenses, aviation defenses, and space satellite monitoring of the earth. Also, the air corp was established as a branch of the army. Subsequently--after WWII--it was reorganized as the Air Force and made an equal branch of the Defense Department along with the Army and Navy.
(1), (2), (5)- To provide and maintain a navy;
The Navy is maintained by missile defense, aviation defenses, and space satellite monitoring of the earth.
(1), (2), (5)- To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
Government makes rules for the regulation of missile defense, aviation defense, army, navy, and space satellite monitoring of the earth.
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
(1), (2), (5)- To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Making rules for the regulation of missile defense, aviation defense, and space satellite monitoring of the earth is a part of the organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia.
(4)- To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;
The Louisiana purchased and the Alaska purchased are places--territories--purchased by the consent of the Congressional representatives of the then current states.
--And
(1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)----To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
These actions are necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers.
Article I.Section 8. The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
(6)- To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
Radio and TV broadcasting and advertising constitutes commerce among the several states
(7)- To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
The uniform rule of naturalization was predicated on rules of immigration for the people who might seek naturalization. Also, "Article I. Section 9. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight ..." That of course implies that immigration can be regulated by Congress after 1808.
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
(3)- To establish post offices and post roads;
Interstate highways are in fact roads used to transport posts.
(5)- To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
NASA is promoting the progress of science that is secured by exclusive rights to discoveries of technology for space travel and exploration.
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
(1), (2), (5)- To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
Armies are supported by missile defenses, aviation defenses, and space satellite monitoring of the earth. Also, the air corp was established as a branch of the army. Subsequently--after WWII--it was reorganized as the Air Force and made an equal branch of the Defense Department along with the Army and Navy.
(1), (2), (5)- To provide and maintain a navy;
The Navy is maintained by missile defense, aviation defenses, and space satellite monitoring of the earth.
(1), (2), (5)- To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
Government makes rules for the regulation of missile defense, aviation defense, army, navy, and space satellite monitoring of the earth.
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
(1), (2), (5)- To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Making rules for the regulation of missile defense, aviation defense, and space satellite monitoring of the earth is a part of the organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia.
(4)- To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;
The Louisiana purchased and the Alaska purchased are places--territories--purchased by the consent of the Congressional representatives of the then current states.
--And
(1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)----To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
These actions are necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers.
silly.
They do not have the legal power to dictate how much Americans must pay for the energy they use.
(6)- To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
Article I.Section 8.
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To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
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The power to regulate commerce is not the same as the power to dictate what commerce there shall be. The Constitution does not in any of its Articles and Amendments grant power to the Congressional or Executive or Judicial branches of our federal government the power to require any lawful citizen to participate in a particular commerce whether he wants to or not.
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The power to regulate commerce is not the same as the power to dictate what commerce there shall be. The Constitution does not in any of its Articles and Amendments grant power to the Congressional or Executive or Judicial branches of our federal government the power to require any lawful citizen to participate in a particular commerce whether he wants to or not.
So you are arguing that the Federal government is going to FORCE you buy electricity? That's a good one ican. I got a good laugh at it. I don't have to buy electricity. I am free to go without it or obtain it from installing my own power sources.
You have to be a hermit to not buy electricity. It's a component of most other products and services.
If you were following this conversation george you would have seen that ican argued that the commerce clause gives the Federal government the power to regulate radio and TV but doesn't give the Federal government the power to regulate electrical power.
But if you want to insert your non sequitor, go ahead.
