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What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:03 pm
I'm no authority, but from what I've read re Chavez plus what has been related from missionary teacher friends who left Venezuela after it became too 'nuts' a few years ago, Chavez doesn't fit the mold of 'ruthless dictator'. Nor, though poor, does he come from a particularly troubled childhood. He obtained power through mostly his own charisma and connections, but did seem to genuinely want to do good for the people who really did adore him.

He more fits the mold of 'power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely'. You treat somebody like a god long enough, and many, if not most, begin to believe they have godlike qualities.

But in looking at the common denominators that Okie has been developing, Idi Amin was abandoned by his father and was raised by his mother in a highly patriarchal society. That almost had to be traumatic for him. He joined the army at a young age and rose through the ranks based on ability, but he was also described as being capable of extreme cruelty. And...well...everybody knows the rest.





cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:17 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxie, Drink this for your digestion; over half of couples get divorced, and many leave children behind.

Now, relate those statistics against okie's thesis.

From Wiki:
Quote:
Like marriage, divorce in the United States is the province of the state governments, not the federal government. Divorce laws vary from state to state. However, no-fault divorce on the grounds of "irreconcilable differences" is now available in all states. In recent years many states, including North Carolina and New York, require a one-year legal and physical separation prior to a formal divorce decree. This legal requirement has led to the creation of a separate, somewhat ambiguous category of relationships - "separated". Once an informal term used by individuals, it has now become a legal category designating someone who is neither married nor divorced.


Married adults now divorce two-and-a-half times as often as adults did 20 years ago and four times as often as they did 50 years ago... between 40% and 60% of new marriages will eventually end in divorce. The probability within... the first five years is 20%, and the probability of its ending within the first 10 years is 33%... Perhaps 25% of children ages 16 and under live with a stepparent.


Now, do you blame the child who lives without both parents?
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:38 pm
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:

Hate to tell you this, Parados, but you sound like an AI program on the blink; are you testing new code for multicore processors, by any chance?Smile



Glad to see you are capable of making your usual well researched and intelligent contributions to the topic.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:41 pm
@Foxfyre,
So..

A ruthless dictator can be a person that is treated badly or one that is treated like a God?
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:43 pm
@parados,
anticipating foxfyre's response "yes"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:47 pm
@parados,
All we have to know now is "how badly treated, or how much treated like a god?" Surely, there must be degrees of badly treated and treated like a god. At what level does it tip the scale into developing ruthless dictators?


LOL
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:48 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

So..

A ruthless dictator can be a person that is treated badly or one that is treated like a God?


Either, neither, or both I would think.

The interesting thing is that so many of these guys experienced unusally difficult or ugly events from their childhoods--the kinds of things that are traumatic for most kids, and you don't find all that many who seem to have enjoyed a normal, uneventful childhood. Even Ghenghis Kahn had a troubled childhood--his father died when he was young and his family abandoned his husbandless mother and kids. That would tend to freak a kid out wouldn'tyou think? Perhaps make him angry. Vengeful against people in general?

Certainly most kids with troubled background don't grow up to be any kind of dictator, much less ruthless ones. And certainly there are some who seem to have had it all and turned bad.

But then most kids who have normal upbringing and experiences turn out to be productive, law abiding, useful citizens, some rising to positions of fame and power. But not all.

So there are no rules.

Just interesting correlations.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:52 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
interesting correlations.
99 44/100 % of all convicted child molesters drank milk when they were infants.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:52 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

Code:he (Hitler) went out and attacked Stalin
and it's fortunate for us that he did, otherwise he might have beat us in WW II.

Finally, you said something that makes sense. Agreed on your above statement.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 04:53 pm
@Foxfyre,
Genghis Kahn only lay siege those towns that fought back. If you knew enough history of the world, you would understand that most cultures did worse or better than Genghis.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 05:02 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
So there are no rules.

Just interesting correlations.

Agreed. They are just interesting correlations. They aren't what produces dictators.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 05:02 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
But then most kids who have normal upbringing and experiences turn out to be productive, law abiding, useful citizens, some rising to positions of fame and power.


But then most kids turn out not to have both the guts and opportunity to become a ruthless dictator. How many had the guts, took it on and ended up a stiff first. Thousands I should think. It's like pro boxing really. If the race exists somebody must win it.

Why are you Yanks so obsessed with winners?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 05:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Genghis Kahn only lay siege those towns that fought back. If you knew enough history of the world, you would understand that most cultures did worse or better than Genghis.


The laugh of the month competition has a clear winner.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 06:04 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Why are you Yanks so obsessed with winners?


You mean you Brits don't play to win?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 06:19 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

spendius wrote:

Why are you Yanks so obsessed with winners?


You mean you Brits don't play to win?

Of course they don't. Why else would cricket games sometimes last weeks.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 06:27 pm
@okie,
No one is attempting that. Walter and i have just been pointing out that you claim that the Germans inflicted Hitler on the world is bullshit--like just about everything else you have posted in this bullshit thread.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 06:27 pm
@parados,
Not really! The Brits have had their fill of winning, and found it overrated. That's the reason why they returned most of the countries they occupied back to the original owners.

Not only that, but the Brits had many "firsts." People who don't know their history assumes the Brits haven't had their share of wins.

If anyone bothered to visit the British Museum, they would learn quickly what they have accomplished.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 06:28 pm
@High Seas,
No, i meant Beethoven. Just because you are unfamiliar with a long standing joke among the Germans and Austrians doesn't mean it isn't real.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 06:29 pm
@Setanta,
I would like to make it clear that the majority of US has not voted to inflict okie on the world.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 06:30 pm
@parados,
And they should be thanking us profusely! LOL
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