What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

Note, libs here, such as Parados, Walter, and ci, apparently they all think troubled childhoods do not at all correlate at all with what these children might do as adults. LOL, LOL, I cannot believe the stupidity. Sorry to be so blunt, but the reasoning here by libs borders on the surreal.

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@okie,

so what do you propose, okie.

we off all the troubled kids to save ourselves?

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@okie,

parados wrote:

There is no evidence that it is the cause only that there is a correlation.

okie wrote:

Note, libs here, such as Parados, Walter, ci, and dyslexia, apparently they all think troubled childhoods do not at all correlate at all with what these children might do as adults. LOL, LOL, I cannot believe the stupidity. Sorry to be so blunt, but the reasoning here by libs borders on the surreal.

Are you capable of understanding English? Talk about stupidity and surreal reasoning....

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@okie,

I'll add that the correlation is extremely weak. There are lots of troubled kids, and very few of these become dictators. So few, in fact, that the correlation becomes meaningless. There's a stronger correlation between drownings and ice cream sales.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Note, libs here, such as Parados, Walter, ci, and dyslexia, apparently they all think troubled childhoods do not at all correlate with what these children might do as adults. LOL, LOL, I cannot believe the stupidity. Sorry to be so blunt, but the reasoning here by libs borders on the surreal.

Any quote ("Note", sic!) where I said or wrote such, okie?

If this threat is indeed about sociology, criminology and social work, well I'm pleased if you carry on.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Note, libs here, such as Parados, Walter, ci, and dyslexia, apparently they all think troubled childhoods do not at all correlate at all with what these children might do as adults. LOL, LOL, I cannot believe the stupidity. Sorry to be so blunt, but the reasoning here by libs borders on the surreal.

Well I had a pretty miserable childhood in many respects and would have been justified in turning out as a criminal according to other leftwingers who blame ALL of societies' problems on the fact that children are disadvantaged by this or that. But despite the opinions of some, I lead a pretty normal life free of most of society's worst unpleasantries.

I also know children, a couple in our family even, who had salt of the earth parents, a terrific upbringing, and siblings who turned out great, but who for whatever reason just couldn't get the hang of being responsible law abiding citizens. One of these scares me to death.

So we cannot say that background is the whole story.

But when you look at the correlations that can be made, it is very difficult to say that it isn't any of the story either.

It is interesting that while they throw out your observations as irrelevant or screwball or whatever other uncomplimentary thing they can say, they will extol the background of their heroes and lift that up as hugely significant in how we should view the people they admire.

But we all know the double standard that applies in these cases too.

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@Foxfyre,

we don't ALL know ****...

Rolling Eyes

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@Rockhead,

I stand corrected. A whole lot don't see the double standard. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I was incorrect in saying that all acknowledge it.

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@parados,

Be serious, did Bush grow up with an anarchist activist father, did he get kicked out of school for stabbing a fellow student, throwing ink at the teacher, and just basically being unruly? And did Bush have Marxian socialist mentors, and I am not aware that Bush decried all the injustice in the United States and wanted to fix it all. Was Bush abandoned by his parents or sent off for a few years to school away from home? When Bush ran for office, did Bush want to "change" the greatest country on earth? Has Bush had a few problems, including alcoholism, yes, but surely not very correlative to the points that I have found. Bush appears to be a fairly well adjusted guy, married to the same wonderful woman, and enjoying the benefits of a good and solid family, and extended family. He appears to be a grateful man, not a bitter man.

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@okie,

you're not going to get far using GW as your prototype...

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

okie wrote:

Note, libs here, such as Parados, Walter, ci, and dyslexia, apparently they all think troubled childhoods do not at all correlate with what these children might do as adults. LOL, LOL, I cannot believe the stupidity. Sorry to be so blunt, but the reasoning here by libs borders on the surreal.

Any quote ("Note", sic!) where I said or wrote such, okie?

If this threat is indeed about sociology, criminology and social work, well I'm pleased if you carry on.

Walter, my apologies if I overstepped my bounds there. You have disagreed mostly with the Hitler a leftist argument, but I am not sure whether you have tried to tell us that the correlations that I found for ruthless dictators, that you have argued that I am totally off base in that regard. Perhaps you can elaborate.

I stand by that basic assertion at the beginning of the thread however, because I think it is just obvious to most people that behaviors and experiences of people as they mature can be correlated to various outcomes. Here again, you suggest it takes some kind of "expert" to figure this out, and again I think you are hung up on educational credentials but very short on respecting common sense.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre, I find it fascinating that my thread here is driving some liberals nuts. I think it is because it is their ox that is being gored. It goes right to the heart of their philosophy, and that is that Government, spelled with a capital G, is the solution to all of the ills of societies, cultures, countries, and the world. They cling to the possibility, faith, belief, that one day mankind will all live in some kind of utopia. For anyone to suggest that a mindset that that not only beleives this as they do, but also had troubled childhoods, experienced certain things, and had burning desires to right the wrongs of the world, are the pool of people that provides fertile ground for ruthless dictators, they cannot abide that idea. Therefore, they are going to gang up on me here. What I have on my side is common sense, history, and evidence.

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@okie,

Well, while I think we have to be careful in applying correlations as the only or primary factor in most situations, I think to suggest there are none is not only ridiculous, but flies in the face of everything that the Left preaches.

The bottom line for me is that which people CHOOSE to embrace and not so much that which is forced upon them. In my previous anecdotal illustrations, I mentioned kids that I know, have worked with to some extend, who came from stellar environments but turned out to be menaces to society. And others who came from such savage environments that people would expect them to be ax murderers or terrorists who became model citizens making noble contributions to humankind.

So perhaps our environment exposes us to certain things and influences our perceptions, but in the end it is what we embrace of that which determines what we are, what we will become. You look at all those misfits you have been describing and yes, all were lacking something in their childhood--all were probably looking for some way to be significant or for something to satisfy whatever drove them. And they were drawn to antisocial and destructive philosophies and embraced them.

Perhaps that is why Thomas Sowell wrote so many essays on Barack Obama toward the end of informing the American people of what they were probably getting if they elected him President. He thought what Obama chose to embrace could turn out to be significant. As it has turned out, so far he is right.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre, I want to say that I hear you in regard to troubled childhoods, no childhood is perfect, and as you say, children can and do reverse what happens to them in childhood, good or bad, but the odds are better if you have a good childhood. By the way, I do not include affluence as an indicator, or wealth. I am mostly talking about having a loving family and whether or not a child is rejected by parents. Other factors for dictators also have to intersect with this, such as a big vector of politics, charisma, etc., it is a host of factors.

We all relate it to our own experience, but honestly my parents were not rich, but we worked hard, and we had a loving family, with no rejection. Of all the kids I went to school with, more than 90% could say the same thing I am pretty sure. I went to a small school and most of them I knew very well, along with their families. Some of the parents, my parents dealt with in regard to farming, helping each other, working for each other, etc. Most wer all great people, no axes to grind, they all loved America, every one of them.

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I'm glad to hear that neither okie's nor Foxfyre's social background in their childhood showed indicators that they could become dictators.

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@okie,

okie, The only nut here is you; you really don't understand human behavior as you attempt to analyze personalities from your ignorance. Your attempts to correlate the bad guys with your prescriptions is laughable at best, but you are serious!

Your presumptions about you "driving some liberals nuts" is the reverse of how many of us are reacting to your analysis; it's all a joke wrapped in not understanding much of anything.

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@Foxfyre,

I think it boils down to this, there are some people that are malcontents, often relative to their own childhood and young adulthood experiences, and some of these people transfer their burning desire to fix something with themselves, they blame it on the world, the country, and so they set about to fix that, and if they have political ability and opportunity, they have the potential to wreak havoc in their efforts to fix everything, right the wrongs, make just the injustice, etc. They often do not realize that the empty lack they feel in themselves, cannot be fixed by fixing everyone else, they need to fix themselves.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I'm glad to hear that neither okie's nor Foxfyre's social background in their childhood showed indicators that they could become dictators.

If your fellow Germans had paid attention to some of this, perhaps a few million people would not have had to die, Walter. Just maybe they could have recognized a troubled man when they saw one, and would not have voted for him, or blindly followed him?

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@okie,

Sounds just like you, okie!

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@okie,

you're quite the barstool philosopher today, okester.

what should we do about the guys with good childhoods who are screwing up the economy?

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