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What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 09:12 am
@parados,


You need to show respect for your elders and hope you become wise and old someday.
Until then, do what the adults tell you to do and keep your mouth shut.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 10:16 am
Quote:

http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/
George Orwell in NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR, Part III, Chapter IV
Leader says, 'Anything could be true. The so-called laws of Nature were nonsense. The law of gravity was nonsense. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble.' If Leader THINKS he floats off the floor, and if I simultaneously THINK I see him do it, then the thing happens. Suddenly, like a lump of submerged wreckage breaking the surface of water, the thought burst into his mind: 'It doesn't really happen. We imagine it. It is hallucination.' He pushed the thought under instantly. The fallacy was obvious. It presupposed that somewhere or other, outside oneself, there was a 'real' world where 'real' things happened. But how could there be such a world? What knowledge have we of anything, save through our own minds? All happenings are in the mind. Whatever happens in all minds, truly happens.

He had no difficulty in disposing of the fallacy, and he was in no danger of succumbing to it. He realized, nevertheless, that it ought never to have occurred to him. The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. CRIMESTOP, they called it in Newspeak.
insertions by ican
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 10:23 am
@H2O MAN,
It's obvious you have been given that advice often, squirt. I bet you never follow it.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 10:25 am
@parados,



You may never grow, but we hope that you do.
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genoves
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:39 am
Re: H2O MAN (Post 3674000)
H2O man wrote:

Re: parados (Post 3673978)

Parasite, what in the hell are you projecting about now?

Unlike you, I don't live in fear.

I guess your Liberaltardation is genetic.

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As of today, H2O, the left wing is sinking even deeper into the mire.

Note: Rate Rise Clouds Recovery--Wall Street Journal-June 11, 2009

"Rising Interest Rates threaten to dim propsects for a housing recovery and choke off a refinance wave that was A MAJOR PLANK of the Obama administration's economic-stimulus efforts. On Wednesday, rates on 30 year fixed rate mortgages climbed to 5.79%, UP FROM 5% TWO WEEKS AGO. That jump WILL CUT ROUGHLY IN HALF the number of borrowers with an incentive to finance"

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Can Obama and his staff be so stupid as not to understand that HOUSING RECOVERY IS THE KEY TO ECONOMIC RECOVERY?
sangiusto
 
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Reply Sat 20 Jun, 2009 01:15 pm
The key to recovery is the reduction of the deficit and the cessation of profligate spending.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 20 Jun, 2009 01:35 pm
@sangiusto,
sangiusto wrote:

The key to recovery is the reduction of the deficit and the cessation of profligate spending.


Plus shrinking the overall size of the federal goverment
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 20 Jun, 2009 01:36 pm
@genoves,
genoves wrote:



Can Obama and his staff be so stupid as not to understand that HOUSING RECOVERY IS THE KEY TO ECONOMIC RECOVERY?


Yes they can!
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genoves
 
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Reply Sat 20 Jun, 2009 01:54 pm
H2O--When Parados insults you again by calling you squirt--Dont take it.

Respond--Parados is probably a superannuated pencil necked vegan who you could break in two without trying hard.

I am sure you can respond to his name calling.

But if he stops and apologizes, all should be well.

He won't because he is certain he is correct. I await the day when Parados reads that the December Climate Meeting in Copenhagen has gone into disarry because of the actions and policies of China and India.

I have laid this evidence down to him several times on the Global Warming thread, but he refuses to acknoledge it. I am telling you so that we can both celebrate when Parados is shown to be totally wrong about the future of Global Warming--Just as he is wrong on most of his threads.

What do you expect.,H2O, he is a liberal!!!
okie
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 10:01 am
A note here to address the discussion with oe and others in regard to whether Fascism and Hitler was right wing or leftist. I have a point that I think deserves entering into the record here, into the debate, to support my assertion that Hitler was clearly leftist and socialist.

I have been reviewing some history and was reminded again that during the World War II era, communists around the world, such as here in the United States and in Britain as well, before Hitler attacked Russia they very much opposed the war against Hitler. They had a natural proclivity toward Hitler and Fascism. Their emotional tendency gravitated and sympathized with Hitler and Germany, and against free countries like Great Britain and the United States. It is entirely logical to conclude that they saw Hitler and Fascism as more closely aligned to their philosophy of a strong state, or Statism. That was the case at least until Hitler attacked Russia, which they could hardly believe would happen until it happened.

And it is also noted that Great Britain and the United States had a fairly tough time believing it was wise to support Russia in their fight to survive, but Churchill for example concluded the primary goal was to defeat Hitler, period. What the whole thing amounted to was Hitler decided to try to conquer anyone and everyone around Germany, without regard to whether they were to the left or to the right of him on the political spectrum. So the end result was a war that produced a strange but temporary alliance between free countries like Great Britain and the United States with Russia on the opposite end of the political spectrum to defeat Hitler, which resided well left of center on the spectrum.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 10:51 am
Whether one calls 'em nazis, fascist, communists, obamas, or simply dictatorships, they are all Statists:
Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=statism&x=30&y=8
Main Entry: stat·ism
...
: concentration of all economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=statist
Main Entry: 1stat·ist
...
2 ... : an advocate of statism ...
okie
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 11:44 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Whether one calls 'em nazis, fascist, communists, obamas, or simply dictatorships, they are all Statists:
Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=statism&x=30&y=8
Main Entry: stat·ism
...
: concentration of all economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=statist
Main Entry: 1stat·ist
...
2 ... : an advocate of statism ...


Thank you, ican.

Now we apparently are supporting Chavez backed regimes in South America, example Honduras. This is a disastrous Obama policy, but not at all unexpected policy, as Obama clearly has an affection for dictators. I think he wants to be one himself.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 11:50 am
@genoves,


No worries mate, parasite (Parados) is just a liberal trolling the net for yet another load of man juice to be squirted on his face.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 02:18 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

I have been reviewing some history and was reminded again that during the World War II era, communists around the world, such as here in the United States and in Britain as well, before Hitler attacked Russia they very much opposed the war against Hitler. They had a natural proclivity toward Hitler and Fascism. Their emotional tendency gravitated and sympathized with Hitler and Germany, and against free countries like Great Britain and the United States. It is entirely logical to conclude that they saw Hitler and Fascism as more closely aligned to their philosophy of a strong state, or Statism. That was the case at least until Hitler attacked Russia, which they could hardly believe would happen until it happened.


You are dead wrong on this point.

I think you should do some more review of the histoty to get your facts straight. The NAZIs were fierce opponents of the German Communist party, which in 1930 was one of the strongest in western Europe. By the time Hitler came to power, the German Communist party was largely destroyed and many of its members were later exected. A similar fate befell Communists supporters in Italy, Romania and Hungary under their Facist dictators.

Most people in Britain and America, left and right in the political spectrum, were reluctant to engage or oppose the NAZI government. This was particularly true in America where the oceans gave us a wide separation from the danger. In the campaign for the 1940 presidential election in the U.S. it was the Republicans in particular who were opposed to intervention in Europe. To some degree the official policy of the Stalin regime limited talk among Communist Party officials, both in Russia and abroad, concerning opposition to NAZI Germany. It is very clear from the historical record this came not from sympathy of common goals, but rather from fear and Stalin's delusion that he could lure Hitler into attacking only the West - at least long enough to enable him to recover from his recent purges of most of the officer corps in the Red Army.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 02:23 pm
@georgeob1,
okie manages to misinterpret history and almost everything else including economics and politics. No big surprise.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 02:31 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

You are dead wrong on this point.

I think you should do some more review of the histoty to get your facts straight. The NAZIs were fierce opponents of the German Communist party, which in 1930 was one of the strongest in western Europe. By the time Hitler came to power, the German Communist party was largely destroyed and many of its members were later exected. A similar fate befell Communists supporters in Italy, Romania and Hungary under their Facist dictators.



okie has read some online nonsense by an Australian retired psychologist.
This man really say that because in German socialist and victory ('Sieg') both start with an 'S', the SS ...


The so-called "Saalschlachten" ('meeting hall battles') between the SA and the Comunists are documented even in films. And that started in the early 20's.
Before that, from 1918 till early 1920, there were the dozens of 'Freikorps' (free corps) fighting especially the Communists. (And many if not most were ... at least far right.)

The Communists were the first of all groups (second the Social-Democrats) who were "imprisoned" in the concentration camps.


It seems that okie is so far on the wrong track that he can't find back.

And that's an attitude he shares with many followers of extremists in history: see those Germans who finally believed everything what the Nazis said ...
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 02:37 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

okie wrote:

I have been reviewing some history and was reminded again that during the World War II era, communists around the world, such as here in the United States and in Britain as well, before Hitler attacked Russia they very much opposed the war against Hitler. They had a natural proclivity toward Hitler and Fascism. Their emotional tendency gravitated and sympathized with Hitler and Germany, and against free countries like Great Britain and the United States. It is entirely logical to conclude that they saw Hitler and Fascism as more closely aligned to their philosophy of a strong state, or Statism. That was the case at least until Hitler attacked Russia, which they could hardly believe would happen until it happened.


You are dead wrong on this point.

I think you should do some more review of the histoty to get your facts straight. The NAZIs were fierce opponents of the German Communist party, which in 1930 was one of the strongest in western Europe. By the time Hitler came to power, the German Communist party was largely destroyed and many of its members were later exected. A similar fate befell Communists supporters in Italy, Romania and Hungary under their Facist dictators.

Sure, nobody denies that for crying out loud. The Nazis were opposed to the communists in Germany because they were opponents to what has been called another way, a third way, borrowing aspects of capitalism and communism. What I said was that communists in parts of the world opposed our opposition to Hitler. At least I read that about communists in Great Britain and the United States.

Quote:
Most people in Britain and America, left and right in the political spectrum, were reluctant to engage or oppose the NAZI government. This was particularly true in America where the oceans gave us a wide separation from the danger. In the campaign for the 1940 presidential election in the U.S. it was the Republicans in particular who were opposed to intervention in Europe. To some degree the official policy of the Stalin regime limited talk among Communist Party officials, both in Russia and abroad, concerning opposition to NAZI Germany. It is very clear from the historical record this came not from sympathy of common goals, but rather from fear and Stalin's delusion that he could lure Hitler into attacking only the West - at least long enough to enable him to recover from his recent purges of most of the officer corps in the Red Army.

I don't know how you know it is clear from the historical record, George. What is clear is that Hitler was just as philosophically connected to communists as he was capitalists. He railed against capitalists, and if there was a central theme of his hatred, it was the hatred of Jews, one big reason being they represented what he considered to be the greed of capitalism, everything bad about a human race of people, which he felt needed to be exterminated. It wasn't merely the Jews, but the capitalistic greed they represented.

Today's Leftists hate it when they are reminded that Hitler was a Leftist, so leftist intelligentsia has worked very hard to twist the historical record of what Hitler believed and did. What I am doing is simply pointing out facts. I do not have the bias that Europeans and in particular Germans may carry around still to this very day.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 02:38 pm
@georgeob1,
dear georgeob, I hate it when you make posts such as above; you make it seem there are literate and knowledgeable conservatives. I, as an extremist liberal, prefer to read posts by Okie which give me strong sense of superiority.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 02:45 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

I don't know how you know it is clear from the historical record, George. What is clear is that Hitler was just as philosophically connected to communists as he was capitalists. He railed against capitalists, and if there was a central theme of his hatred, it was the hatred of Jews, one big reason being they represented what he considered to be the greed of capitalism, everything bad about a human race of people, which he felt needed to be exterminated. It wasn't merely the Jews, but the capitalistic greed they represented.


I'm 100% sure that George knows history.

Unfortunately, this subject seems to be a closed book for you - at least concerning this subject, namely German history, Hitler, the history of the Nazis etc.


H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 02:59 pm
@georgeob1,



So it seems Obama is more like the NAZIs in there infancy... good to know.
 

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