georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 31 Mar, 2006 01:10 pm
Laughing Laughing Laughing

Goddamnit that's not my signature on the card !
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 31 Mar, 2006 01:19 pm
Glad I found the correct one so fast and didn't take one by the Empereor Navy's Admiral Surgeon or the Undersecretary of State for the Navy or ... - I've got a couple of those via Navy promotions from a granduncle Laughing
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 31 Mar, 2006 02:26 pm
In the future I will be very careful to avoid reference data or web site duels with relentless Westphalians.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Fri 31 Mar, 2006 02:53 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Chirac just has made made one of the trickiest decision of his long political career.

Hoping I got it correctly, the French president said, he will sign the law if the government makes two changes:

"I ask the government to immediately prepare modifications over the probation period, which will be reduced to one year"
and
"The right to know the reasons of the dismissal will be registered in the new law".


So the law will be just watered a bit.


Told ya! (see page 33).....we now await the Gallic shrug, and the speech to the people.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 31 Mar, 2006 02:59 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
In the future I will be very careful to avoid reference data or web site duels with relentless Westphalians.


You can put your mind at rest: I won't ask you to come with a witness to a certain place in Millennium Park at 5am on May 6. :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 31 Mar, 2006 03:31 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
Told ya! (see page 33).....we now await the Gallic shrug, and the speech to the people.


You talked to him before, confess. Laughing


The reactions are as to be foreseen: applaause from the one side, unbelievable shaking heads from the other (well, something similar).

And Sarkozy in between, suggesting that Chirac exactly did what he told before as being the best compromise.



On page 33
Lord Ellpus wrote:

.....a typical French compromise.


Which translate in French to "Tout cela montre bien que nos institutions ne fonctionnent pas bien." (François Sauvadet from the UDF - 'All this proves that our institutions don't work well.')
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 31 Mar, 2006 11:15 pm
Lots of demos after that tv-speech in France last night, but fortunately not much so much troubles as I feared.

Villepin will consider next steps with his cabinet on Monday and a new law is said to be introduced to the parliament shortly.

New strikes - supported by other European unions - and big demos will happen on April 4.

This reform of the reform only has one winner it seems: Sarkozy.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 1 Apr, 2006 12:53 am
New report from Walter -
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Lots of demos after that tv-speech in France last night, but fortunately not much so much troubles as I feared.

- and, from a few posts back
georgeob1 wrote:
I am very pleased to learn that Chirac will sign the law. Cutting the length of the proabationary period from two to one years is an important but not vital concession. I predict the demonstrations will diminish in intensity and the Villepin government will survive the storm. This will be good for France.


Apparently Both Lord Ellpus and I are more accurate predictors of French political developments than is Walter.

Walter Hintler wrote:

New strikes - supported by other European unions - and big demos will happen on April 4.

This reform of the reform only has one winner it seems: Sarkozy.


I believe this is Walters hope masquerading as a prediction. The French people have come out ahead in this as well. Very difficult to reform these Westphalian Social democrats.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Apr, 2006 02:02 am
Perhaps you are right.

---------------

Frontspage of today's Libération:

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Apr, 2006 11:12 pm
Today, the Parisien got this on the frontpage:

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62% of the French not convinced by Chirac
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Apr, 2006 11:33 pm
The polls in detail (all from Parisen/Aujurd'hui en Frnce, Sunday April 2, 2006, frontpage, pages 2 + 3)

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Apr, 2006 11:33 pm
http://i2.tinypic.com/sqtu9t.jpg http://i2.tinypic.com/sqtvvc.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Apr, 2006 11:34 pm
http://i2.tinypic.com/sqtwdh.jpg

"Affaibli" means "weakened"
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Apr, 2006 12:07 am
I'm still not sure if March 2006

http://i2.tinypic.com/suub01.jpg

will be to remember the same way as May 1968

http://i2.tinypic.com/suubmc.jpg

(Besides, of course, the big personal difference that I followed this time the very start live in Paris myself :wink: )


I doubt that, though - this time, the students and pupils don't follow an ideological-revulotionary strategy.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Apr, 2006 09:24 am
From Monday's The Australian (couldn't find it online [elsewhere]):

Quote:
Students add new twist to an old French story

France's protesting youths and workers have much in common with the far Right, writes Keelin McDonell


The French love political dramas, but lately the plotlines have all looked suspeciously similar.

The basic trajectory goes something like this: France is contentedly savouring its role as the birthplace of continental democracy and high culture. The country even modernises, just a little, to keep pace with the new global economy and to compete with its ambitious EU partners. Unemployment and a burgeoning Muslim population complicate things, but the reliable social welfare system is there to reassure.

But then, the inciting incident: a renegade politician or party attempts reform. The old way is not enough; anglosaxonisme ?- Gallic shorthand for the US-style free market ?- is declared the order of the day.

But the people won't have it. For once, young and old, Left and Right, native-born Parisian and Algerian immigrant all agree ?- France may be troubled, but who really wants to change it? As popular outrage grows, the spectre of reform slinks away.

In the past year, this frightening menace has been played by, among others, the EU constitution, Englishspeaking tycoons, and most recently the proposed CPE laws, which would loosen up national labour policy enough to allow employers to get round the French legal process when dismissing young workers in their first two years on the job.

And so last Tuesday's massive antiCPE protests and strikes halted trains, stopped newspaper distribution and shut schools and hospitals. The day was dubbed Mardi Noir ?- Black Tuesday ?- by reporters and union leaders, a name that captured the economic devastation but points to an unhappy milestone in economic history. The market's black days of the past ?- in 1929, in 1987 ?- resulted from fiscal recklessness on the part of elites. The villains were robber barons, speculators and junk bond kings. This Mardi Noir was perpetrated by students and workers.

The bond between unions and universities is not unusual. But its intensity in France is. Interest in organised labour has waned among US university students since its peak in the 1960s. But in France the student-worker relationship remains passionate. This partly has to do with the existence of large student unions in the country. Young people learn early to organise?- collective bargaining is practically part of a national catechism. And historically, in France as well as in other countries, the student-union connection has helped to liberalise societies.

Alliances between students and workers married the progressive spirit of the young with the economic grievances of the powerless. The typically privileged university students learned to care for the fate of the uneducated and less fortunate in society, and the typically conservative workers stood up for tolerance and individual liberties.

That combination, though, can hardly be said to exist in the anti-CPE coalition. Students and workers alike are wary of France's minorities, and neither group has put forward an alternative plan to boost employment and secure a place for France in the international economy. Indeed, an infamous Ipsos poll of those aged between 20 and 25 in France last year found 48 per cent of young people associated globalisation with fear.

And the political power of the student-union alliance is, as the French historian Jacques Marseille recently explained to Le Monde newspaper, one of the paradoxes of the Fifth Republic. Young people and workers are less likely to vote than most French citizens, and when they do vote, they are more likely to cast a ballot for a candidate on the extreme Right or Left.

As a voting bloc they hardly wield any power ?- hence the centre-right Government that has steered France for the past dozen years. And yet protesting is such an institutionalised form of participation in the French political process that it can cripple even the most mildly controversial government policy.

MardiNoir staged what is becoming an increasingly common political conflict in France: a battle between industrial reformers who are largely well-heeled middle-aged men, and defenders of the status quo, who are the students and union hard-liners.

Protest, which has served French society well in the past, has become almost threateningly conventional: it's the tactics of the revolution serving the aims of the clergy. So more than a people in uproar, MardiNoir reveals a French progressive movement on the brink of collapse ?- nearly indistinguishable from the country's seething far Right.

The historic anti-CPE demonstrations have so far prompted a historic response from the Government: nothing. Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin invited union chiefs and students to discuss the CPE over the weekend; when few showed up, he made it clear there would be no more overtures for some time.

President Jacques Chirac has kept a low profile. And while Interior Minister and would-be presidential candidate Nicolas Sarkozy has complained of de Villepin's management, he too has mostly avoided the spotlight. The message is calculated and clear: no to withdrawing the CPE, but also no to letting protesters govern. ?'?' The street'', may have ?'?' taken the place of parliament'', as Marseille put it, but now parliament would like its place back. In a surprising twist on a familiar political drama, reform may yet win.


Kelin McDonell is assistant editor at The New Republic


source: The Australian (print version), Monday April 3 2006, page 15
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Apr, 2006 11:15 am
Villepin told Le Journal du Dimanche in an interview published today

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that "There is misunderstanding and incomprehension about the direction of my action. I profoundly regret it." He admitted he made some political mistakes managing the controversy but said he would not resign.

AP: De Villepin Admits Errors in Handling Law
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Apr, 2006 11:29 am
The First Employment Contract (CPE) was officially published today in France's Official Journal gazette after being signed by President Jacques Chirac.

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AFP: CONTROVERSIAL LAW ON YOUTH JOBS OFFICIALLY PUBLISHED IN FRANCE
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 2 Apr, 2006 04:04 pm
What are your predictions now, Walter? My impression is that the government has won a partial victory. While the coalition of unions and students may be unbroken, the civil disorder they caused will likely cost them som sympathy from other elements of the populace. Moreover the general problem of unemployment; 10% oveerall, 22% among the young, and 40% among moslem youth remains - and this coalition of the backward and the immature has nothing at all to offer in addressing this serious problem, which, unsolved will corrode vital elements of French society and economy.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Apr, 2006 10:38 pm
Certainly the government and the president won a partial victory.


And it truely might cost them some sympathy from other elements of the populace - but this is a minority of French.

Thus, it will last some time until this gap can be closed.

And such won't work out 'silently'.

The general problem of unemployment will see some more similar - in my eyes unsuitable - attempts to solve it.
We (= countries with same problems) will finally have to accept the situation or change EVERYTHING totally.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 2 Apr, 2006 11:04 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
We (= countries with same problems) will finally have to accept the situation or change EVERYTHING totally.


I agree. You are faced with basic contradictions. (1) Low birthrates and the economic need to import workers; (2) The already difficult and universal problem of assimilation made more difficult by European traditions of cultural nationalisn; (3) Social Welfare systems that sustain high unemployment and discourage investment and job creation.

I believe Europe faces the necessity of many changes in these areas.
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